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obama trying to play nice again
- Thread starter Free Thinker
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Quote from PiggyBank:
+1 Excellent point(s), and impenetrable logic.
The govt is not in this just because they think they know better, but because they want control (socialism). Think about a truly universal health care system: can they tell you what u can eat and drink (in case its unhealthy), imagine if u smoke or your really fat, will they even cover u, cause you will be adding risk to the system. No one should be able to tell a FREE person what they can do with their OWN bodies, fuck that.
This is an argument where you are just chasing republican talking points. In a true free market world, any company should be able to tell you whatever they want. If you support this you are in fact supporting a democratic ideal where health insurers should not be allowed to tell unhealthy people who live unhealthy lives to screw off........
There is no free market world Dorothy, there never was, and there never will be.
Additionally, your argument from personal experience is invalid.
Plenty of people have worked their butts off, put themselves through school, etc. and then through no fault of their own...due to illness ended up in poverty and excluded from health insurance going forward.
I am all for each person working hard and doing their best...but life need not be a jungle.
There are sufficient resources in this country to provide decent health care for all people...and if people are genuinely patriotic and care about America, then they care about all Americans. We are a stronger society when people are healthy and working...
Is health care a right?
Perhaps not, but it is the right thing to do in a civilized society.
Additionally, your argument from personal experience is invalid.
Plenty of people have worked their butts off, put themselves through school, etc. and then through no fault of their own...due to illness ended up in poverty and excluded from health insurance going forward.
I am all for each person working hard and doing their best...but life need not be a jungle.
There are sufficient resources in this country to provide decent health care for all people...and if people are genuinely patriotic and care about America, then they care about all Americans. We are a stronger society when people are healthy and working...
Is health care a right?
Perhaps not, but it is the right thing to do in a civilized society.
Quote from Hello:
This is an argument where you are just chasing republican talking points. In a true free market world, any company should be able to tell you whatever they want. If you support this you are in fact supporting a democratic ideal where health insurers should not be allowed to tell unhealthy people who live unhealthy lives to screw off........
Why are insurance companies and health care companies not subject to anti trust legislation?
Why would insurance companies need anti trust immunity unless they were employing predatory and monopolistic practices?
Why would insurance companies need anti trust immunity unless they were employing predatory and monopolistic practices?
Quote from HelloDollar:
Then go start an insurance company. Or invest in one existing. Like any other business opportunity, if there is indeed windfall profits from insuring health, hedge funds, investment bankers and the like will gladly fill the void. We've certainly seen such competition with auto insurance. The fact is a regular guy can get HMO coverage pretty darn cheap.
Why will you not answer my question then.... no one will answer this question, WHY SHOULD WE NOT PUT PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD TO EAT ABOVE THOSE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD HEALTHCARE, it appears to me that being able to feed yourself is a much more pressnig concern...... the truth is you are just chasing dem. talking points.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
There is no free market world Dorothy, there never was, and there never will be.
Additionally, your argument from personal experience is invalid.
Plenty of people have worked their butts off, put themselves through school, etc. and then through no fault of their own...due to illness ended up in poverty and excluded from health insurance going forward.
I am all for each person working hard and doing their best...but life need not be a jungle.
There are sufficient resources in this country to provide decent health care for all people...and if people are genuinely patriotic and care about America, then they care about all Americans. We are a stronger society when people are healthy and working...
Is health care a right?
Perhaps not, but it is the right thing to do in a civilized society.
Quote from Hello:
I actually disagree with this, insurance companies should be allowed to tell you to fuck off if you live an unhealthy lifestyle where you chase down your hoot of crack with a mcdonalds cheeseburger every day.
I don't think I made my point clear. Private insurance companies should definentely be allowed to raise your premiums (or not cover u) for living unhealthy. I meant if we had a govt run system, and that is everyone's ONLY "option". And yes they are repub talking points, but it is just a hypothetical scenario which I wouldn't expect to happen but u never know, especially without competition.
STOP YOUR IDIOTIC SHOUTING...
This isn't right wing talk radio, try to speak like a human being, okay?
This isn't right wing talk radio, try to speak like a human being, okay?
Quote from Hello:
Why will you not answer my question then.... no one will answer this question, WHY SHOULD WE NOT PUT PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD TO EAT ABOVE THOSE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD HEALTHCARE, it appears to me that being able to feed yourself is a much more pressnig concern...... the truth is you are just chasing dem. talking points.
Quote from HelloDollar:
An insurance co-op (the Utopian standard) is zero-sum. If America files 2 trillion in claims but is only willing to pay 1 trillion in premiums then someone (i.e. taxpayers) will need to eat the shortfall. And given that at this exact moment, a special Obama appointed 'task force" is convening to figure out a solution to the inevitability of Social Security and Medicare bankrupting us-despite around 17% of most peoples annual earnings being dedicated to those entitlements-it seems foolhardy to think that a public option is fiscally doable.
No matter how you slice it, those with preconditions, those who can't afford basic health coverage are asking for a government handout.
We keep hearing, "people are losing their homes because they're uninsured." So what? Is home ownership or a big bank account an entitlement? Here's a solution: Sell your friggin house, rent an apartment and pay for your own policy.
People lose their homes and savings due to joblessness or trading/business losses. Or even divorces and substance abuse. Why is a chronically ill person a supposed sacred cow? No OTHER money problem gets you relief.
There's winners and losers in life and it's not the governments role to be the arbiter. Unless, they want to arbitrate ALL of life's inequities.
You have the writing pattern of poster Pabst Prime.
Quote from Hello:
Why will you not answer my question then.... no one will answer this question, WHY SHOULD WE NOT PUT PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD TO EAT ABOVE THOSE WHO CAN NOT AFFORD HEALTHCARE, it appears to me that being able to feed yourself is a much more pressnig concern...... the truth is you are just chasing dem. talking points.
hello. anybody home? ever heard of food stamps?how about meals on wheels, how about the school lunch program?