Obama To Introduce Crackdown Measures On Tax Havens

Quote from Hombre:

Obama promised $500 to everybody if he wins .He called it stimulus package but in fact he was buying votes with taxpayers money. Brilliant if you ask me.

yeah....Lenin promised Russians land, bread and peace.

That worked out well.
 
Quote from Angrycat:

Don't know a thing about the bahamas. However, I do know that if you renounce your U.S. citizenship, you can NEVER get it back except under very special circumstances (like you can prove you were under duress or insane).........

Even if the U.S. allows you to renounce your citizenship, you will owe taxes for 10 years after renouncement.
As for the first part, can you cite a reference for that claim?

The second part is false. The Heart-Act replaced the 10 year rule for citizens expatriating after June 08. So, a lot of the the things you were saying in later posts based on this don't apply.
 
Quote from Angrycat:

I agree with you.

Walter Williams of GMU tried the following experiment.

On his way into a restaurant, he passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote for Obama. I need the money."

The server in the restaurant proudly wore a "vote Obama" button.

After the meal, professor Williams decided to practice a little Obama redistribution. He explained to the server that the homeless guy outside needed the money more than the server, therefore he will give the tip the server earned to the homeless guy outside. The server, fuming, stormed into the kitchen.

The homeless guy was grateful for the money he didn't earn and the server got a little lesson in what he was voting for (which I'm sure he did not learn).

Dr. Williams is obviously a brilliant economics professor for those who do not know of him.
LOL moron, the exact same story has already been told on ET. somebody's a fucking liar

So who's the jackass, you or gnome? :p :D

Maybe both. :)

P.S. LOL, how perfect.
 
Quote from propseeker:

As for the first part, can you cite a reference for that claim?

The second part is false. The Heart-Act replaced the 10 year rule for citizens expatriating after June 08. So, a lot of the the things you were saying in later posts based on this don't apply.

The irreconcilability of a renouncement of U.S. citizenship is outlined on the State Department website. Look under section G. in the instructions for renunciation.

So, inform us of the changes in the Heat-Act. Don't just criticize, add something to the discussion.
 
All you Obama critics are forgetting one small detail. He is walking in to office with historically massive debt thanks to the current lamo in office. Hes got to do something. And 'redistribution of wealth' as it is so labeled has been around for years in many forms. (and yes the republicans have had their hand in the jar as well).

As for the experiment. I honestly doubt that the person who didnt get the tip would be making enough money to be affected by Obamas 'Redistribution Policies' anyway.

And if you wanna blame anyone, blame the retards who voted Bush in for 8 years. People may not have kicked them out if he hadnt fucked up so badly
 
Quote from Angrycat:

The irreconcilability of a renouncement of U.S. citizenship is outlined on the State Department website. Look under section G. in the instructions for renunciation.

So, inform us of the changes in the Heat-Act. Don't just criticize, add something to the discussion.
It says the ACT of renunciation is irrevocable... it says nothing of refusing a future attempt to citizenship as a foreign national.

I didn't criticize. Just pointed out what you were saying was no longer valid because the law has changed... I don't know, I think that adds a lot to the discussion. Regardless, information has already been posted on this thread regarding the details of the Heart-Act. If you want more info, search through Mondaq... there's a good article on there.
 
Quote from propseeker:

It says the ACT of renunciation is irrevocable... it says nothing of refusing a future attempt to citizenship as a foreign national.

I didn't criticize. Just pointed out what you were saying was no longer valid because the law has changed... I don't know, I think that adds a lot to the discussion. Regardless, information has already been posted on this thread regarding the details of the Heart-Act. If you want more info, search through Mondaq... there's a good article on there.


Yes, I suppose you can immigrate to the United States. As a person who has done that and who went through the process again with my spouse, I can tell you that it is incredibly difficult to do. One of the things that will be considered is that you renounced your citizenship in the first place and it will work against you - assuming you can get a greencard in to begin the process in the first place.

I read Mondaq. Does the exit tax actually replace the 10 year income tax obligation and are sales of assets assessed a capital gains tax when they are sold as well as the exit tax on unrealized capital gains? I'm not a lawyer, so this isn't clear to me and I'd appreciate your input. I looked through this thread again and I don't see any discussion at all about the HEART Act.
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

LOL moron, the exact same story has already been told on ET. somebody's a fucking liar

So who's the jackass, you or gnome? :p :D

Maybe both. :)

P.S. LOL, how perfect.

Yeah, I read that story and posted like I'd done it myself.. just to see if I'd get a rise out of the NObamabots... Regardless of the culprit, principle is the same.

:D
 
Quote from Angrycat:

I read Mondaq. Does the exit tax actually replace the 10 year income tax obligation and are sales of assets assessed a capital gains tax when they are sold as well as the exit tax on unrealized capital gains? I'm not a lawyer, so this isn't clear to me and I'd appreciate your input. I looked through this thread again and I don't see any discussion at all about the HEART Act.
Yes, the exit tax replaces the 10yr income obligation. Also, the 30 day rule (if you come in for 30 days or more you revert to being taxed as a citizen) was repealed.

Good question on the future sale of capital gains, I'm not sure if you'd be doubly taxed, from reading it doesn't look like it... the act says you just calculate current mark to market value as basis. I would assume if the capital asset isn't a business, then you wouldn't be taxed again, and most likely only pay the difference if worth more if it WAS a business. There is though, a clause for deferral of payment until the actual sale of the asset on an asset by asset basis (of your choosing), so this may negate any double tax threat if any.

This is the article I was referring to:
http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=63662

All in all, it looks like it's quite an improvement for people who aren't high net worth individuals, and a bit of a toss up for those who are. So, while still absurd, it's a lot less draconian.
 
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