Obama Stimulus Turns Three: What Has It Achieved?

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

I think everyone has been able to answer this one. Everyone has a solution for it. But not everyone agrees, or will agree. Case in point, you will not likely agree with my proposed solutions.

I would cut the Department of Education. Get rid of it completely and allow states to govern their education. Ever since the DoE has been created, it has continued to show it's worthlessness. We can no longer afford such folly.

I would drastically cut back on military expenditures. Remove bases in countries where it no longer makes sense to house them (and we cannot afford it regardless). We forced the Soviet Union to spend more than it could afford for it's military expenses, but then never learned the lesson ourselves. The gig is now up.

I would repeal Obamacare and look at alternative ways to cheapen and make health care affordable by all (including providing healthcare vouchers or some sort of refund to those who cannot afford it, after they have proved themselves to be both drug free and a citizen of the country). I would include tort reform in this bill as a way to lower the cost of insurance.

I would get rid of the IRS. Completely and wholly. I would put in it's place a national sales tax that takes the place of Income tax, and then put a constitutional amendment in place that prohibits income tax. I would keep cap gains (at a lower level) and get rid of the death tax entirely. I would tax (at a significantly higher rate) corporations that did business in the US but did not keep a portion of their employees in the states.

I'm just getting warmed up. But I recognize that you, and many other secular progressives, would not stand for much of it.

Actually, none of these are terrible ideas. As you know my issue would be with the DoE. Since it was created to help ensure equal educational opportunities.

We would have to talk more about that, but Pres. Tso, how would you get this thru Congress?

That is the real question.

The plan is not bad, but how will you get house and senate approval?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from RCG Trader:

Actually, none of these are terrible ideas. As you know my issue would be with the DoE. Since it was created to help ensure equal educational opportunities.

We would have to talk more about that, but Pres. Tso, how would you get this thru Congress?

That is the real question.

The plan is not bad, but how will you get house and senate approval?

I would sell them out. I would put each of these ideas to the American people as something that had to be done. I would offer an open debate to anyone in the other party who wanted to talk with me - live - in front of the American people if they wanted to fight it. I would then initiate the bill and name each and every congressman or senator that opposed it openly in a television address. I would urge the people who elected that person to throw him out next time in office.

As for the DoE, I know why it was created. The problem is that it never has done what it was created to do. It is a failure. And it's time to put it down.

 

[jem]

White males of today are not trying to roll back the clock. We are trying to hold back the tide of liberal destruction. America was a great country for white people. no doubt about it.
It was relatively good country for every one else.
But liberals and leftists are out to destroy what made it great simply because they do not like the majority.

Destruction for the sake of change is not a worthy goal.

What happen to schools when you took God and morality out?
What happened to Congress.
What happened to Wall Street.
What happened to the black population when you allowed abortion clinics to open up near black neighborhoods. 20 million black people killed.

Leftists kill societies.

Quote from RCG Trader:

What I am really getting at is it is social conservatism that is sinking your ship. Most people are reasonably okay with fiscal conservatism. But when you try to roll back the clock, you are doomed. The only people who are not acutely sensitive to that is white men. When it comes to that, you guys are horrendously outnumbered.

Think about it. White males vs. Blacks, women, gays, hispanics, jews, Asians, and Indians.

The GOP will not see this today. Reagan did tho, hence his, big tent. He was trying to save the party, and he did.

You can complain about the end of the nation if you want, do you how that really plays?

It plays as whining about no longer having a monopoly on power. No one is sympathetic to that.

 

[cgroupman]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

So what was wrong about the OP? Don't try to redirect, just address the original article and point out the items that are incorrect.

He said: At the time, Obama claimed that it would "create or save" up to 3.5 million jobs, and that "a new wave of innovation, activity and construction will be unleashed across America." The stimulus, would, he promised ""ignite spending by businesses and consumers" and bring "real and lasting change for generations to come."

I responded with: A new report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that 1.4 million to 3.6 million people currently employed owe their jobs to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the stimulus plan.
Can’t say much about words like “unleashed” and “ignite” sorry.


He said: Stimulus price tag: The original estimate for the cost of the stimulus was $787 billion. Now the Congressional Budget Office says that, when all is said and done, it will have cost $825 billion.

I responded: This stunning arithmetic — when paired with the CBO prediction that, worst-case scenario, the Troubled Asset Relief Program will cost only $25 billion — debunks popular fantasy: that the money was wasted.

He said: Unemployment rate: The jobless rate is unchanged from February 2009 to January 2012, the latest month for which we have data. Both stood at 8.3%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Obama's economists had initially predicted that with the stimulus, unemployment would stay below 8%.

I responded with: Critics call the stimulus plan a failure because the administration predicted the $800 billion would keep unemployment from rising above 9 percent. That, of course, was wrong. But economists now estimate that without the stimulus, unemployment — which last month stood at 9.6 percent — would be at least 12 percent. Stimulus money saved GM and Chrysler and the jobs of construction workers, teachers, police officers and firefighters.

Not perfect by any means, I understand that.


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[cgroupman]

Quote from Scataphagos:

Correctamundo! Had the money been spent that way, the NATION would have benefitted from the infrastructure repair... not to mention the number of formerly unemployeds drawing a check for doing some work rather than just collecting unemployment insurance for doing nothing except voting for the Democrat/Socialist Party.

If there really were not shovel-ready jobs, that money should NOT have been spent..

I actually agree that he should, and likely will, use the money for infrastructure. Yes, including the Keystone pipeline. I would rather see workfare not unemployment.


c

 

[Hombre]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

I would sell them out. I would put each of these ideas to the American people as something that had to be done. I would offer an open debate to anyone in the other party who wanted to talk with me - live - in front of the American people if they wanted to fight it. I would then initiate the bill and name each and every congressman or senator that opposed it openly in a television address. I would urge the people who elected that person to throw him out next time in office.

As for the DoE, I know why it was created. The problem is that it never has done what it was created to do. It is a failure. And it's time to put it down.

Ron Paul plans to do exactly what you are suggesting.
Media should embrace him, they would have so much material to make a news till the kingdom comes.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from Hombre:

Ron Paul plans to do exactly what you are suggesting.
Media should embrace him, they would have so much material to make a news till the kingdom comes.

The problem is that losers and nutballs like you support him effectively chasing away anyone with half a brain.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Hombre:

Ron Paul plans to do exactly what you are suggesting.
Media should embrace him, they would have so much material to make a news till the kingdom comes.

I agree. And if that makes me a loser or nutball, then I am just that. Oh well.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

I agree. And if that makes me a loser or nutball, then I am just that. Oh well.

Its a shame. You seem otherwise reasonable.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from jem:

White males of today are not trying to roll back the clock. We are trying to hold back the tide of liberal destruction. America was a great country for white people. no doubt about it.
It was relatively good country for every one else.
But liberals and leftists are out to destroy what made it great simply because they do not like the majority.

Destruction for the sake of change is not a worthy goal.

What happen to schools when you took God and morality out?
What happened to Congress.
What happened to Wall Street.
What happened to the black population when you allowed abortion clinics to open up near black neighborhoods. 20 million black people killed.

Leftists kill societies.

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