Obama should resign and Trump should be sworn in as President immediately

Nine_Ender said:
Not at all what we were talking about. If you want to discuss the scope of services that OHIP pays for, then do so, in reference to what public health plans in the US pay for.

Would you really opt out of OHIP yourself and take on an American style plan ? Seriously now, let's get real here. GWB_Trading was suggesting that he knows people who opt out of using OHIP and go to expensive clinics and pay for services there out of pocket. Sure, rich people or those with nice company sponsored premium plans might do that, but not middle class Canadians. And any Canadian can do that if they want to spend a lot of money. There just aren't many who do, and no point in doing so except in exceptional circumstances. Those with a lot of money, well, they can spend as they wish in either country.
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Obamacare took the worse parts of single payer and combined that with the worse parts of private insurance. Now we are on the road to a two tierd system. The middle class pay too much to buy the poor health insurance. And the rich pay very little to subsidize the poor. The middle class can't afford to opt out, and the rich don't need it. Both systems are bad, so you are just trying to defend the least worse of the two systems.

When the patients own their own hospitals and clinics you will finally see a positive change.
 
Nine_Ender said:
Not at all what we were talking about. If you want to discuss the scope of services that OHIP pays for, then do so, in reference to what public health plans in the US pay for.

Would you really opt out of OHIP yourself and take on an American style plan ? Seriously now, let's get real here. GWB_Trading was suggesting that he knows people who opt out of using OHIP and go to expensive clinics and pay for services there out of pocket. Sure, rich people or those with nice company sponsored premium plans might do that, but not middle class Canadians. And any Canadian can do that if they want to spend a lot of money. There just aren't many who do, and no point in doing so except in exceptional circumstances. Those with a lot of money, well, they can spend as they wish in either country.
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I thought we're talking about private medical clinics in Canada?
 
Tsing Tao said:
I suppose I could go find them if you truly insist, though the process will likely be pointless since - once I point them out - you'll just discredit the source without reading it or offering up any reasons why it is incorrect.

Here's one...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild

And another....

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139
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Two-year-old links? Here, try something a little more recent, including a link from your very own source, The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-is-weaponising-chlorine-us-congress-to-hear

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...pon-attack-after-five-suffocate-a6784876.html
 
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