Obama says he will prosecute BUSH administration

[fmi123]

Quote from trefoil:

They tortured. They may or may not get prosecuted, but there is no doubt that they tortured.
I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the right on this: they go on and on ad nauseum about the tyranny represented by higher taxes, as if they were actually being taxed without representation, as the revolutionaries actually were, but are silent or even complicit in torture and the de facto repeal of habeas corpus under the previous Administration.
It is, truly, a sickening spectacle. If you think this crap is what the Founders fought, lost their fortunes and died for, you're quite simply too ignorant to be taken seriously.

idiot


give him credit,... he sounds like an honest idiot, which is far more than your typical leftist idiot

 

[CaptainObvious]

Best get this kangaroo court in high gear to provide necessary distraction from real issues. Going to be a long hot summer.

DETROIT – Two people briefed on the plan say General Motors Corp. will close most of its U.S. factories for up to nine weeks this summer because of slumping sales and growing inventories of unsold vehicles.

The people did not know exactly when the shutdowns would occur, but both say they will include the normal two-week closure in July to change from one model year to the next. Neither person wanted to be identified because workers have not been told of the shutdowns.

GM spokesman Chris Lee would not comment other than to say the company notifies employees before making any production cuts public

 

[trefoil]

An honest idiot (just for you, Illum):

I rise in somewhat reluctant support of this vote to override the President's veto of H.R. 2062, the Intelligence Authorization Act of 2008. Although I voted against this authorization when it first came to the floor, the main issue has now become whether we as a Congress are to condone torture as official U.S. policy or whether we will speak out against it. This bill was vetoed by the President because of a measure added extending the prohibition of the use of any interrogation treatment or technique not authorized by the United States Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations to the U.S. intelligence community. Opposing this prohibition is tantamount to endorsing the use of torture against those in United States Government custody.

We have all read the disturbing reports of individuals apprehended and taken to secret prisons maintained by the United States Government across the globe, tortured for months or even years, and later released without charge. Khaled al-Masri, for example, a German citizen, has recounted the story of his incarceration and torture by U.S. intelligence in a secret facility in Afghanistan. His horror was said to be simply a case of mistaken identity. We do not know how many more similar cases there may be, but clearly it is not in the interest of the United States to act in a manner so contrary to the values upon which we pride ourselves.

My vote to override the President's veto is a vote to send a clear message that I do not think the United States should be in the business of torture. It is anti-American, immoral and counterproductive.

- Rep Ron Paul, voting to override Bush.

Another honest idiot:

Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands.

- George Washington, reprimanding his troops on their treatment of Hessian prisoners.

Like I said, if you think the brutality of the Bush Administration is what the Founders fought and died for, you're too ignorant to be taken seriously.

 

[dsq]

Quote from Illum:

I can't believe he sold the CIA down the river like that. He is going there today to give one of his speeches. They are professionals, they will sit there and listen, but they were sold out and they wont forget it.

Yeah like Plame...scooter libby dick and w cover up and w overturning the judges sentence of libby.Where was the right wing nut indignation over that.Talk about treason.Even W's daddy said betraying cia identity should be prosecuted as treason.Go that?

 

[Landis82]

Quote from trefoil:

They tortured. They may or may not get prosecuted, but there is no doubt that they tortured.
I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the right on this: they go on and on ad nauseum about the tyranny represented by higher taxes, as if they were actually being taxed without representation, as the revolutionaries actually were, but are silent or even complicit in torture and the de facto repeal of habeas corpus under the previous Administration.
It is, truly, a sickening spectacle. If you think this crap is what the Founders fought, lost their fortunes and died for, you're quite simply too ignorant to be taken seriously.

Agreed 100%

Even the military judge Susan Crawford who worked for Reagan, HW Bush and under Dick Cheney when he was Secretary of Defense . . . determined that they could not go ahead and bring Mohammed al-Qahtani to justice because he was tortured.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/13/AR2009011303372.html?hpid=topnews

 

[Landis82]

Quote from dsq:

Yeah like Plame...scooter libby dick and w cover up and w overturning the judges sentence of libby.Where was the right wing nut indignation over that.Talk about treason.Even W's daddy said betraying cia identity should be prosecuted as treason.Go that?

Excellent point.
Where was the right wing when CIA agent Plame was betrayed and outed?

Nowhere to be found.
Rush and his buddies at Faux News completely disappeared.

 

[Landis82]

Quote from trefoil:

Like I said, if you think the brutality of the Bush Administration is what the Founders fought and died for, you're too ignorant to be taken seriously.

Agreed 100%.