Obama Presidency Modern-Day Ancien Régime:Extravagant & Out of Touch

[Gabfly1]

Quote from bugscoe:

When you can't argue the facts it's always best to attack the messanger.

You're a true liberal pansy.

The messenger with the built-in agenda? That messenger? You're a lost cause.

 

[Trader666]

Yeah I'm sure that will pan out just like Obama's promise that unemployment won't go above 8%, especially given what he's said in the past about commissions:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2918789&highlight=flipflop#post2918789 and especially since this commission isn't adequately funded. Only a fool like you would read a national debt forecast of $16.7 trillion and dismiss it based on that disclaimer.

Denial is a wonderful thing, wouldn't you say?

P.S. You were wrong about the numbers being "a figment of Heritage's vivid imagination" but what else is new?

Quote from Gayfly1:

Kindly refer to Table S-1, which you brought to my attention. Kindly note that these forecasts are without a Fiscal Commission. And, finally, kindly refer to the note at the bottom of that very table you have brought to my attention:

FISCAL COMMISSION

The Administration supports the creation of a Fiscal Commission. The Fiscal Commission is charged with identifying policies to improve the fiscal situation in the medium term and to achieve fiscal sustainability over the long run. Specifically, the Commission is charged with balancing the budget excluding interest payments on the debt by 2015 The result is projected to stabilize the debt-to-GDP ratio at an acceptable level once the economy recovers. The magnitude and timing of the policy measures necessary to achieve this goal are subject to considerable uncertainty and will depend on the evolution of the economy. In addition, the Commission will examine policies to meaningfully improve the long-run fiscal outlook, including changes to address the growth of entitlement spending and the gap between the projected revenues and expenditures of the Federal Government.

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing, wouldn't you say?

 

[Gabfly1]

Quote from Trader666:

...Denial is a wonderful thing, wouldn't you say?

P.S. You were wrong about the numbers being "a figment of Heritage's vivid imagination" but what else is new?

I'll take you word for it, about the denial part.

As for Heritage, I think it's interesting and rather telling that they should present the "before" numbers, those without fiscal initiatives, and not at least identify them as such. But then, obfuscation is the only tool available to the Right.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from Gabfly1:

The messenger with the built-in agenda? That messenger? You're a lost cause.

Then it should be a slam-dunk for you to refute and make him out to be a fool. But for some reason all you're able to do is attack and discredit.

 

[Gabfly1]

Quote from bugscoe:

Then it should be a slam-dunk for you to refute and make him out to be a fool. But for some reason all you're able to do is attack and discredit.

Yes, why don't I spend even more of my time debunking partisan obfuscators and fabricators who have proven themselves time and again to be completely unreliable and untrustworthy?

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from Gabfly1:

Yes, why don't I spend even more of my time debunking partisan obfuscators and fabricators who have proven themselves time and again to be completely unreliable and untrustworthy?

I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

 

[Ricter]

As much as it pains me to admit, and it is akin to that of a constricted bowel (so I've heard), Bugs may have a point.

Edit: so, what's the topic here again?

 

[Trader666]

Yup, anyone with a shred of objectivity can see that your obsessive denial does a great job keeping you ignorant.

I think Heritage made the graph before the commission, so what? You see a conspiracy behind every rock!

What's really interesting about Obama's national debt projections is that you dismiss the numbers while grabbing onto the "hope" of a commission. Especially in light of what Obama said about commissions which I linked you to, and also in light of Obama's other failed promises.

Quote from Gayfly1:

I'll take you word for it, about the denial part.

As for Heritage, I think it's interesting and rather telling that they should present the "before" numbers, those without fiscal initiatives, and not at least identify them as such. But then, obfuscation is the only tool available to the Right.

 

[Trader666]

This from the hypocrite who accused someone of treason without even knowing what it means.

Quote from Gayfly1:

Yes, why don't I spend even more of my time debunking partisan obfuscators and fabricators who have proven themselves time and again to be completely unreliable and untrustworthy?

 

[Gabfly1]

Quote from Trader666:

Yup, anyone with a shred of objectivity can see that your obsessive denial does a great job keeping you ignorant.

I think Heritage made the graph before the commission, so what? You see a conspiracy behind every rock!

I did not utter the word "conspiracy" in this exchange. That was your inspired choice of words. I suggested it was merely a convenient and self-serving omission on Heritage's part. One of a long string of convenient and self-serving omissions on the part of the Heritage. All errors or omissions characterisitically favor only their views and conclusions. Which says much about the Heritage. That's why I am generally disinclined to waste my time on the various and selective assertions put forward by various Right Wing outfits which characteristically and conveniently engage in self-serving omission, exaggeration and obfuscation. You cannot accept anything they put forward at face value as being accurate and contextual. It is clear they have no interest in dialogue. Their goal is to win at any cost. The truth in its full context is the least of their worries, a negligible cost and an insignificant casualty on their road to victory. At any cost.

Take a good whiff. The messengers to your Right are full of shit.