Obama major liar about healthcare

[skylr33]

Insider trading is so full of shit with his posts. But then again, what would you expect from a douche bag , liberal, Obama ass licking troll.~~~~
This health care bill isn't going to pass, even if these moron Demo'craps' try to use reconciliation. Many senate Demo'craps' are not on board with the "furor". Even Independents like Joe Lieberman have now come out against it. With each passing day, members of the dictator-in-chiefs own party have expressed major concerns over the bill.
Obama's Waterloo will be here very soon!!! Of course, he'll point the finger at Republicans, when it will really be his own party that sinks his presidency. lol The douche bag Demo'craps have all the power to pass it, so go ahead and do it. lol Of course they won't, because that will guarantee two things: Obama will be a one term president, and come 2010 & 2012, the Republicans will be in control of Congress.
No matter which way this health care thing goes, it translates into "Political Suicide" for the Demo'craps'. If they pass it, their history. If they don't pass it, their looked at as failures, plus the American people will not let them hold majorities in Congress any longer due to them drafting such moronic health bills that will ration care, and spend us into oblivion. They will immediately put Republicans in to institute a check and balance system on the radical-in-chief. In addition, the American people know that this clown Obama will have spent more tax payer money by the end of his first year in office, than Bush spent in his entire eight years.
Bottom line, the Demo'craps' are finished no matter what happens. Good times are on the horizon America. We will get our country back very soon.

 

[insider trading]

Quote from skylr33:

Insider trading is so full of shit with his posts. But then again, what would you expect from a douche bag , liberal, Obama ass licking troll.~~~~

Says the dumb ass who cant read,gets called on it then tries to erase his post

Quote from insider trading:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/11/power-women-09_The-100-Most-Powerful-Women_Rank.html

How could this be ?The Queen of the Republican party didn't make Forbes 100 most powerful women :eek:

This is the women the Republicans are depending on to save them ,and she isn't considered one of the worlds most powerful women

Numerous democratic women are included ,Michelle Obama,Sibelius,Clinton ,Napalitino,Ginsberg,Sotomayor ,polosi etc,but no Sarah

I guess maybe its the leftist media although Forbes was founded by a Republican presidential candidate

Quote from skylr33:



Hey insider trading,

I see you are lying through your teeth as to who is on this list. Let me set the record straight on your lies:

Janet Napolitiano, Sonia Sotomayer, Kathleen Sebelius, and Michele Obama are "NOT" on the list of Forbes 100 most powerful women.
Hillary Clinton is, as well as Condelisa Rice at #6, and "LOOKIE LOOKIE HERE", Laura Bush is #44 on the list.
LOL!!!!! Where's the furor's wife (Michele Obama)??????? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your a total douche bag. No wait, a total lying douche bag with no credibility or integrity whatsoever!!!!!!!! lol

Quote from insider trading:

I suggest you learn how to read You dumb motherfucker

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/11/power-women-09_The-100-Most-Powerful-Women_Rank_2.html

Mihelle Obama is # 40
Napolitiano #51
Sotomayor#55
Sebilous#57






Rank Name Occupation Country


Rank Name Occupation Country
26 Patricia Woertz Chief executive, Archer Daniels Midland U.S.
27 Guler Sabanci Chairman, Sabanci Holding Turkey
28 Barbara Desoer President, Bank of America Home Loans & Insurance U.S.
29 Brenda Barnes Chief executive, Sara Lee Corp. U.S.
30 Risa Lavizzo-Mourey Chief executive, The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation U.S.
31 Ann Livermore Executive vice president, Hewlett-Packard U.S.
32 Cathie Lesjak Executive vice president, Hewlett-Packard U.S.
33 Marina Berlusconi Chairman, Fininvest Group Italy
34 Melinda Gates Co-chairman, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation U.S.
35 Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House, House of Representatives U.S.
36 Hillary Rodham Clinton Secretary of State U.S.
37 Jane Mendillo Chief executive, Harvard Management Co. U.S.
38 Margaret Chan Director-general, World Health Org. Switzerland
39 Susan Chambers Executive vice president, Global People Division, Wal-Mart Stores U.S.
40 Michelle Obama First Lady U.S.
41 Oprah Winfrey Chairman, Harpo U.S.
42 Queen Elizabeth II Queen U.K.
43 Nancy McKinstry Chief executive, Wolters Kluwer Netherlands
44 Gloria Arroyo President Philippines
45 Ana Patricia Botin Executive Chairman, Banesto Spain
46 Ann Veneman Executive Director, UNICEF U.S.
47 Yulia Tymoshenko Prime minister Ukraine
48 Ruth Bader Ginsburg Supreme Court Justice U.S.
49 Janet Robinson Chief executive, The New York Times Co. U.S.
50 Dominique Senequier Chief executive, AXA Private Equity France

51 Janet Napolitano Secretary of Homeland Security U.S.
52 Anne Sweeney Co-chairman, Disney Media Networks U.S.
53 Neelie Kroes Commissioner for Competition, European Union Netherlands
54 Gail Boudreaux President, UnitedHealthcare U.S.
55 Sonia Sotomayor Supreme Court Justice U.S.
56 Mary Schapiro Chairman Securities & Exchange Commission U.S.
57 Kathleen Sebelius Secretary of Health & Human Services U.S.
58 Ellen Alemany Chief executive, RBS Americas and Citizens Financial Group U.S.
59 Susan Ivey Chief executive, Reynolds American U.S.
60 Amy Pascal Cochairman, Sony Pictures Entertainment U.S.
61 Helen Clark Chairman, United Nations Development Group New Zealand
62 Judy McGrath Chief executive, MTV Networks U.S.
63 Stacey Snider Chief Executive, DreamWorks Studios U.S.
64 Navanethem Pillay High Commissioner for Human Rights, United Nations South Africa
65 Janet Clark Chief financial officer, Marathon Oil U.S.
66 Sherilyn McCoy Worldwide chairman, Pharmaceuticals Group, Johnson & Johnson U.S.
67 Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf President Liberia
68 Tarja Halonen President Finland
69 Mary McAleese President Ireland
70 Virginia Rometty Senior vice president, IBM U.S.
71 Angela Ahrendts Chief executive, Burberry Group Plc. U.K.
72 Terri Dial Chief executive, North America Consumer Banking, Citigroup U.S.
72 Sri Indrawati Coordinating Minister for the Economy and Minister of Finance Indonesia
74 Deirdre Connelly President, North American Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithkline U.S.
75 Johanna Sigurdardottir Prime minister Iceland

Quote from insider trading:

Hey Skyler 33 why did you try to erase your post dumb ass ?,To bad I already quoted it you illiterate mother fucker

 

[trader_t870]

A solution has to be found. Unfortunately, neither party has one that makes any sense.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from insider trading:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...e-health-care-illegal-immigrants-health-bill/

The Truth-O-Meter Says:

"All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."
Chain e-mail on Tuesday, July 28th, 2009 in a chain e-mail


No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill


It may be the longest chain e-mail we've ever received. A page-by-page analysis of the House health care bill argues that reform will end the health care system as we know it: "Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! ... Page 42: The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. ... Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."




Most of the e-mail's claims are wrong, and you can read our extended analysis to find out why.

One of its most bizarre claims is the one about free health care for noncitizens, "illegal or not."

We read the bill and its legislative summary, and could find nothing about free health care for anyone, much less noncitizens.

To confirm our examination, we turned to Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform. Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site.

"No one's provided with free health care. That's ridiculous," she said.

Page 50, which the e-mail references, is part of Section 152, which includes a generic nondiscrimination clause saying that insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."

The section says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that "undocumented aliens" will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.

The bottom line here is the e-mail is making things up. The bill does not say anything close to "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services." We rate this chain e-mail statement Pants on Fire!

You are like the people who seize on some obvious hyperbole by someone like Rush or Ann Coulter. They subject it to a literal analysis and then triumphantly pronounce it as untrue and the person who said it a liar. "Senator" al Frnaken devoted an entrie book to this sort of nonsense, but he had to make up most of it.

The fact is that the obama health care plan envisions a government takeover of health care. Initially, it is via the so-called public option, which is intended to subsidize those who lack coverage. Clearly illegal immigrants will be eligible to take part in it. It will be financed by higher taxes on the shrinking percentage who pay taxes and by rationing care, principally care now received by the elderly.

A more plausible defense of obama's plan would be to claim that illegals will get nothing they are not already getting. That would be more or less true, since all they have to do now is show up at an ER and demand to be treated. They can either give a fake name, the one on their bogus SS card, or give their real name and refuse to pay, since they are judgment proof. Of course, obama's plan will greatly expand the range of services they will receive courtesy of the taxpayers, including abortions, mental health counseling and drugs, physical therapy, at home care, drugs and who knows what else.

You have to wonder how clueless some of these supposed fact check sites are, the ones that are not run by the White House or Soros that is. They say the claim that there will be rationing is false, because "there is nothing in the bill about rationing." That ignores the larger issue that every socialized system utilizes rationing and that Obama's claim to be able both to cover 45 million poeple who are now uncovered and to cut costs at the same time is preposterous on its face. Of course, there will be rationing, and the people who will suffer are the ones who have paid into the system for decades through private insurance and medicare. Now when they need procedures, they will be referred to an end of life counselor. Most of them are not obama supporters though, so who cares.

 

[insider trading]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

You are like the people who seize on some obvious hyperbole by someone like Rush or Ann Coulter. They subject it to a literal analysis and then triumphantly pronounce it as untrue and the person who said it a liar. "Senator" al Frnaken devoted an entrie book to this sort of nonsense, but he had to make up most of it.

The fact is that the obama health care plan envisions a government takeover of health care. Initially, it is via the so-called public option, which is intended to subsidize those who lack coverage. Clearly illegal immigrants will be eligible to take part in it. It will be financed by higher taxes on the shrinking percentage who pay taxes and by rationing care, principally care now received by the elderly.

A more plausible defense of obama's plan would be to claim that illegals will get nothing they are not already getting. That would be more or less true, since all they have to do now is show up at an ER and demand to be treated. They can either give a fake name, the one on their bogus SS card, or give their real name and refuse to pay, since they are judgment proof. Of course, obama's plan will greatly expand the range of services they will receive courtesy of the taxpayers, including abortions, mental health counseling and drugs, physical therapy, at home care, drugs and who knows what else.

You have to wonder how clueless some of these supposed fact check sites are, the ones that are not run by the White House or Soros that is. They say the claim that there will be rationing is false, because "there is nothing in the bill about rationing." That ignores the larger issue that every socialized system utilizes rationing and that Obama's claim to be able both to cover 45 million poeple who are now uncovered and to cut costs at the same time is preposterous on its face. Of course, there will be rationing, and the people who will suffer are the ones who have paid into the system for decades through private insurance and medicare. Now when they need procedures, they will be referred to an end of life counselor. Most of them are not obama supporters though, so who cares.

If Insurance companies did the right thing this wouldn't be necessary.Half of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills,by many who had insurance and were fucked over one way or another by their insurance company

A man who has his family covered by his employers insurance loses his job,his wife has cancer,when he loses his Insurance no other company will insure her do to her having a pre existing condition.

Alot of you guys say you don't want government bureaucrats deciding your health care,right now you have insurance companies doing it.There is a long list of people who were turned down doctor advised treatment due to it being experimental in the insurance company's eyes or they had to have emergency surgery but their policy has a 3,000 a day limit or they didn't get pre approval or they went to a hospital out of the network etc

This shit has to stop.Obama is simply giving people who have been fucked over by insurance companies a option to buy themselves a Medicaid plan.

Republicans had 8 years to fix it their way,they did nothing .If you don't like Obamas plan you should be mad at Republicans for not doing it their way when they had the chance

 

[Haroki]

Quote from insider trading:

If Insurance companies did the right thing this wouldn't be necessary.Half of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills,by many who had insurance and were fucked over one way or another by their insurance company

A man who has his family covered by his employers insurance loses his job,his wife has cancer,when he loses his Insurance no other company will insure her do to her having a pre existing condition.

A pre-existing condition is a legit reason to refuse service. If you have a history of DUI's, then you won't get insurance that covers damages to your car. All it's gonna do is cover the other person. This is reasonable, IMHO.

So I don't see a problem with that.

Also, medical costs are the only reason? C'mon, it's the total expenditures. The only thing a reasonable person should be borrowing for is your house. Everything else should be cash.

Lose your job? Sell the boat, car, motorcycle, etc. Put your kids into 1 room and take in a boarder. Still can't make it? Move out and rent out your house, go live in an apartment. Still can't? Sell the house.

People want to extend their lifestyles beyond the point that is sustainable due to pride. Fuck pride. How proud does that bancruptcy make ya feel?

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from Mercor:

All this author is doing is comparing what the analysis and critics say compared to what Obama says. he does not take into account that Obama is a liar.
Obama can say the Public option will just compete against the private insurance. The Government does not need to worry about raising capitol or having to make a profit for its shareholders. Government run programs do not need to consider catastrophic risks to its business. Government at the same time will regulate and make the rules for private business......Would you buy stock in a private company operating in this environment.

Exactly what we should be eliminating, these leeching middlemen.
The HealthCare Ins. Industry increased profit over the last 5 years at a rate of 1000%. Bill McGuire former CEO of United Health Care got a 1.1 BILLION dollar golden parachute after being indicted for back dating options. Get your priorities in order.

 

[insider trading]

Quote from Haroki:

A pre-existing condition is a legit reason to refuse service. If you have a history of DUI's, then you won't get insurance that covers damages to your car. All it's gonna do is cover the other person. This is reasonable, IMHO.

So I don't see a problem with that.

Also, medical costs are the only reason? C'mon, it's the total expenditures. The only thing a reasonable person should be borrowing for is your house. Everything else should be cash.

Lose your job? Sell the boat, car, motorcycle, etc. Put your kids into 1 room and take in a boarder. Still can't make it? Move out and rent out your house, go live in an apartment. Still can't? Sell the house.

People want to extend their lifestyles beyond the point that is sustainable due to pride. Fuck pride. How proud does that bancruptcy make ya feel?

I agree a pre existing condition is a legit reason,but are people just supposed to be left to die ?Seems that would be some sort of death panel.Cant get ins and don't have a boat to sell then the panel rules you die

Should a hard working American lose everything they ever worked for due to an illness?imo no

We shouldn't force ins compinies to cover people due to pre existing conditions?thats fine with me,thats why there should be a government plan.I think like car insurance is mandatory so should health ins,that takes away from people only getting ins when they get sick

Just like home owners ins companies wont insure areas like new Orleans and Florida for floods,there is flood ins is offered by government,should be the same with health ins.Citizens of this country should not be left to die are lose everything they worked for because they cant get health care.Health care should not be a for profit business imo

 

[monty21]

I'm all about free markets, but this heath care issue is the first time I side with the government.

When you pay $20,000 for a broken arm, something is wrong with the system. I rather sacrifice some quality to have more rational prices.

I can't believe people are opposed to change when prices are so ridiculous already... Can it really get any worse? You can't be a conservative on 100% of the issues guys.

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from insider trading:

I agree a pre existing condition is a legit reason,but are people just supposed to be left to die ?Seems that would be some sort of death panel.Cant get ins and don't have a boat to sell then the panel rules you die

Should a hard working American lose everything they ever worked for due to an illness?imo no

We shouldn't force ins compinies to cover people due to pre existing conditions?thats fine with me,thats why there should be a government plan.I think like car insurance is mandatory so should health ins,that takes away from people only getting ins when they get sick

Just like home owners ins companies wont insure areas like new Orleans and Florida for floods,there is flood ins is offered by government,should be the same with health ins.Citizens of this country should not be left to die are lose everything they worked for because they cant get health care.Health care should not be a for profit business imo

Exactly, we're trying to have a civilization here. Mutants get out of the way.