Obama Lies Again

[377OHMS]

Let me ask.... over 99% of Canadian oil is exported to the United States. Today the demand is greater than the Canadian supply. Why would this oil be exported outside of North America?

I can understand Canada wanting to diversify its base of end customers. Having one customer consume over 99% of your product is a economic risk - but this would only happen if Canada build a pipeline to their east coast.

There is no sound argument (or evidence) that this oil is going to be exported. It is not exported now when it is shipped by train to the U.S. Building the pipeline would simply send the same amount of Canadian shale oil to the U.S. in a more safe and economical manner - while not increasing the amount of oil (which is fully consumed today in the U.S.).

Its the sulfur content.

All the different grades go various directions because of their suitability for different end-product processes. The stuff used to make Vaseline and medical grade products is different from the stuff used to make gasoline. For sure a significant amount of high-sulfur crude will leave the hemisphere (be exported) and a lot of the light-sweet crude will be used to refine gasoline domestically.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Because when it's no big deal, the downside risks are excessive. Besides, he has an environmental constituency to consider (which the "dicks" on the right would ignore).

That makes little, if any sense. Sounds like an ego thing to me. If it can offer jobs, and positively effect relations between neighboring countries, and there's no real down side...well, it's Obama. And you'll defend him with your dying breath.

 

[gwb-trading]

Its the sulfur content.

All the different grades go various directions because of their suitability for different end-product processes. The stuff used to make Vaseline and medical grade products is different from the stuff used to make gasoline. For sure a significant amount of high-sulfur crude will leave the hemisphere (be exported) and a lot of the light-sweet crude will be used to refine gasoline domestically.

How come less than 0.4% of Canadian high sulfur crude (shale oil) is being exported today. Well over 99% of Canadian oil is exported in the U.S. and the produced products are not re-exported outside the U.S.
How is the KeyStone XL pipeline going to change this. The pipeline simply makes it so Canadian oil does not have to be shipped by train. It is changing out one shipping method for a lower cost and safer one... nothing more.

 

[Ricter]

That makes little, if any sense. Sounds like an ego thing to me. If it can offer jobs, and positively effect relations between neighboring countries, and there's no real down side...well, it's Obama. And you'll defend him with your dying breath.

America comes first, Tsing.

 

[377OHMS]

How come less than 0.4% of Canadian high sulfur crude (shale oil) is being exported today. Well over 99% of Canadian oil is exported in the U.S. and the produced products are not re-exported outside the U.S.
How is the KeyStone XL pipeline going to change this. The pipeline simply makes it so Canadian oil does not have to be shipped by train. It is changing out one shipping method for a lower cost and safer one... nothing more.

Well wait, that is true. The pipeline simply makes it so Canadian oil does not have to be shipped by train. It just puts in a bit of infrastructure that is perceived to be somewhat more permanent and higher volume.

I'm for the pipeline. I just think the people supporting the pipeline are making a mistake trying to sell the idea that it is for domestic consumption. They should just tell the truth which is that some exporting will occur.

Remember when Keystone first stalled the Canadians talked about a pipeline to a coastal terminal, clearly an export facility. China was mentioned as a customer.

 

[jem]

Using the best possible way of figuring out the truth... we must conclude the pipeline will be useful and its benefits will outweigh its costs for the american people.

How do we know?
Because Obama and Reid and the rest of the democrat leadership are on the other side of this.
When they have a chance to screw american workers... they will.
Yesterday, Union leadership stated the Democrats have lost their way.


1. http://americaswatchtower.com/2014/...-lost-their-way-their-purpose-and-their-base/

Union boss on Keystone Pipeline defeat: Democrats “have lost their way, their purpose, and their base”




2. http://www.salon.com/2014/07/27/my_...ama_and_the_victory_of_wall_street_democrats/

My party has lost its soul: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and the victory of Wall Street Democrats

3.

Union boss on Keystone Pipeline defeat: Democrats “have lost their way, their purpose, and their base”


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics-july-dec12-jaycost_08-23/

Have Democrats Lost Sight of Their Founding Principle?

 

[Ricter]

I should also say (again), that I don't oppose the pipeline, and I think it will get built. But I'm not a strong supporter.

 

[Ricter]

"Using the best possible way of figuring out the truth... we must conclude the pipeline will be useful and its benefits will outweigh its costs for the american people.

"How do we know?
"Because Obama and Reid and the rest of the democrat leadership are on the other side of this."

Your simple thinking could be entirely captured by 20 lines of code.

And easily hacked.

 

[jem]

it is almost binary.

a. good code: If Obama says something = not true
b. hacked code: Obama says something = true
if b: apply obama anti virus / anti hack.

"Using the best possible way of figuring out the truth... we must conclude the pipeline will be useful and its benefits will outweigh its costs for the american people.

"How do we know?
"Because Obama and Reid and the rest of the democrat leadership are on the other side of this."

Your simple thinking could be entirely captured by 20 lines of code.

And easily hacked.

 

[Ricter]

it is almost binary.

a. good code: If Obama says something = not true
b. hacked code: Obama says something = true
if b: apply obama anti virus / anti hack.

Jem, there are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

(Old joke.) : )