maybe soQuote from jem:
spoke with a client this morning.
his pay check is down 1000 a month.
He makes good money.
spoke with another guy... executive at a big employer...
costs are up big with obamacare...
this is not going to be good for the economy.
Quote from jem:
spoke with a client this morning.
his pay check is down 1000 a month.
He makes good money.
spoke with another guy... executive at a big employer...
costs are up big with obamacare...
this is not going to be good for the economy.

no, they forgot about the part of the rich taking it from the poorQuote from zdreg:
is that what happened in the USSR?
Quote from oldtime:
no, they forgot about the part of the rich taking it from the poor
give me some poor suckers with some money from the government
and I can make a business
and just like monopoly, about every forty years, we cash in and start a new game
and how's that working out for you?Quote from jem:
that is one model...
the other model is the one we had, we had a very fluid class structure in america. it is what made us great and wealthy.
where the poor could become the rich.
its very hard to do that with oppressive taxes.
taxes prevent the accumulation of captial.
its why walls street and buffett types prefer crony captalism... it keeps out the competitors.