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Obama gives Interpol free hand in U.S.
- Thread starter Mercor
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:
End-run end-run around the constitution.
I don't recall Bush giving such an end-run to a foreign body.
That is your opinion only, right? This would ultimately be decided in the courts, right?
Bush/Cheney established the precedent of abuse of the executive privilege which now gives Obama almost unlimited power via executive orders.
Look, Obama could sign an executive order to lock up any right wing talk show host, claiming some nonsense about best interest of the country.
It would then take time to get the executive order rescinded were they thrown out in court. In the time it takes to get these executive orders rescinded (how often have you seen that happen during a president's tenure?) great damage can happen. It is absurd that one man can have so much power.
The bottom line is that every president who abuses the executive order just opens the door for further abuse by subsequent presidents.
This should have been stopped long ago, but it becomes partisan rather than principled, so the when the right wing was in full power for 6 years, they just rubber stamped nearly everything Bush did.
The right just don't get it, because they are not genuinely principled...they said nothing about Bush abusing power, and now they talk about Obama? No credibility on this issue from the right, they just look like sore losers rather than genuine patriots and defenders of the Constitution. Had they been consistent in fighting Bush's power grab, they would have credibility when they try to fight Obama's power grab.
Now the chickens have come home to roost...
I know it won't happen (I have seen repeatedly the continual behavior patterns on the right, they are mostly unprincipled fucks who only are about partisanship and power, not what is in the best interest of all the people) but the right wing should be blaming themselves for giving Bush Carte Blanche and made it OK to abuse the spirit of the Constitution.
Allow me to repeat myself:
That means all executive orders.Quote from wjk:
I am also against executive orders.
Giving power to a foreign law enforcement body over your and my rights is insane, given the hatred many harbor toward this county. The fact that a prior admin foolishly put a mechanism in place should not be a reason for another to abuse it.Quote from wjk:
I don't recall Bush giving such an end-run to a foreign body.
Aside from the comments about the right (since the same could be said of the left), I agree with much of your quoted statement.
There is no reason to abuse executive power, but precedent of previous abusers paves the way...
Face it, we will hear the same BS from Obama as we did from Bush:
National Security, War on terrorism, etc.
Face it, we will hear the same BS from Obama as we did from Bush:
National Security, War on terrorism, etc.
Quote from wjk:
Allow me to repeat myself:
That means all executive orders.
Giving power to a foreign law enforcement body over your and my rights is insane, given the hatred many harbor toward this county. The fact that a prior admin foolishly put a mechanism in place should not be a reason for another to abuse it.