Obama Fail : What is his policy in Iraq?

[CaptainObvious]

A sad article linked below. "Even the dead are suffering in Iraq."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/10/us-iraq-security-idUSKBN0EL1H520140610
My nephew fought in this screwed up war. Came back deaf in one ear and a bum leg from his wounds. At least he came back. All for nothing.
What's left of the Iraqi army is caving about as fast as the ARVN did in Nam. They just don't have it. We didn't have a plan to win then, didn't have a plan to win in Iraq, don't have a plan to win in Afghanistan. Six years into Obama's rule and all he and his gang can do is blame the Bush administration,(who deserve plenty of blame),shrug their shoulders and walk away.
We are a war weary nation that now know thousands of our men and women have died for nothing. We also know that we have a criminally corrupt congress couldn't care less, and a president so completely detached from reality he actually thinks he's doing a bang up job, and a few hundred fat katz laughing all the way to the bank.
I hope last nights election results were for the right reason and send the right message. That message being a anti-incumbent tidal wave is coming in November. Hopefully the dem party will take part in the purge. If they don't, we're all fucked.

My heart goes out to every single person who served in Iraq, especially when they see this happening to the country they fought to liberate. Some don't have limbs (some come to my gym in wheelchairs). I saw a guy shortly after the Iraq conflict started who had almost no face left. Some had brothers who died fighting in or for these cities that are now falling to a terrorist organization that we were promised was defeated so a politician could get re-elected (which is why Benghazi was covered up, because it exposed that lie.) I'm sure in the minds of the Hillary's and Obama's of the world it doesn't make a difference that Iraq is falling.


It's a fucking shame so much blood and treasure was spent for nothing. I can't imagine how those who served in Iraq, and soon Afghanistan can feel when they watch it all go to shit because of politics. (I didn't serve during wartime, though my wife did. She feels the same as I). When I see the state of our nation, I also feel the same for all those who died or sacrificed greatly in WW1 and WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.

 

[PiggyBank]

Well, if you fortify Assad you may be furthering Iran's goals. So if you're ok supporting Assad, at least long enough to defeat ISIL, then you have another dilemma.

what dilemma is that? i could give a shit about syria, but ISIS is directly responsible for American deaths. I would never for any reason help those rats, in fact i would bomb them everywhere they are in the world. in my opinion, helping them (even indirectly) is a traitorous act.

ps. that comment about giving assad weapons was sort of a joke. I mean I'm not opposed to it, you know "the enemy of my enemy.." and all that.

 

[Ricter]

what dilemma is that? i could give a shit about syria, but ISIS is directly responsible for American deaths. I would never for any reason help those rats, in fact i would bomb them everywhere they are in the world. in my opinion, helping them (even indirectly) is a traitorous act.

The dilemma would be: helping Assad to defeat ISIL, if only temporarily, may help Iran, another of our enemies.

 

[Grandluxe]

Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities

Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters.

Senior government officials in Baghdad were equally shocked, accusing the army of betrayal and claiming the sacking of the city was a strategic disaster that would imperil Iraq's borders.

So many soldiers had fled Mosul that the price of firearms plummeted as troops flooded the market with their service weapons, said Shirzad, a taxi driver at the border of Iraqi Kurdistan, who had been ferrying Iraqi army deserters from the checkpoint towards Kirkuk.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/mosul-isis-gunmen-middle-east-states

Wow 800 men can cause 30,000 to run in fear.

 

[PiggyBank]

The dilemma would be: helping Assad to defeat ISIL, if only temporarily, may help Iran, another of our enemies.

to my knowledge, iran is not actually engaging isis. they 'fight' by proxy using their shiite allies, hezbollah. Helping iran by accident is not a big deal to me, maybe it would even help build some goodwill between us/israel and iran/russia. Taking the other side (which we are at war with) out of spite, or to help our prez save face is retarded though.

 

[PiggyBank]

Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities

Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers – roughly 30,000 men – simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters.

Senior government officials in Baghdad were equally shocked, accusing the army of betrayal and claiming the sacking of the city was a strategic disaster that would imperil Iraq's borders.

So many soldiers had fled Mosul that the price of firearms plummeted as troops flooded the market with their service weapons, said Shirzad, a taxi driver at the border of Iraqi Kurdistan, who had been ferrying Iraqi army deserters from the checkpoint towards Kirkuk.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/mosul-isis-gunmen-middle-east-states

Wow 800 men can cause 30,000 to run in fear.

this is pathetic if true, the US even trained these guys.

The Kurds are another option to deal with ISIS, they fight with them now in the north of both iraq and syria. But backing anyone in the ME seems like it always leads to future problems. All I know is any of our war efforts should be focused on wiping the sunni extremists like isis and al nusra, off the earth, they are our real enemy in the world.

 

[wjk]

...My nephew fought in this screwed up war. Came back deaf in one ear and a bum leg from his wounds. At least he came back. All for nothing...

Sorry to hear. I wish only the best for him. Glad he made it back.

 

[Mercor]

What was the purpose of the Obama Afghanistan surge?

 

[Covertibility]

 

[Scataphagos]

"... It's a fucking shame so much blood and treasure was spent for nothing. I can't imagine how those who served in Iraq, and soon Afghanistan can feel when they watch it all go to shit because of politics. (I didn't serve during wartime, though my wife did. She feels the same as I). When I see the state of our nation, I also feel the same for all those who died or sacrificed greatly in WW1 and WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.

I'm a Vietnam vet. I think all of us who served from Vietnam to today are/were CHUMPS!

In WWI(?) and WWII, Americans fought to save America. Since then, we've all just been pawns for greaseball politicos and the military industrial complex.