Obama Fail : What is his policy in Iraq?

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Al queda is taking over Mosul and Tikrit.

Did Obama and Clinton do everything incorrectly on purpose. Did they think they were shooting the moon in hearts?
Cause if you remove the fact that special forces insisted on going after bin laden... Obama and Clinton seem to be a lock for capturing all the bad cards.

What the chances that all his policies backfired this quickly. If those guys he released kill some G.Is. or worse next year... I think he and Clinton's foreign policy will have succeeded in doing everything incorrectly.

Then if you look at his domestic policy... and last months negative GDP.
 
Can't be. Wasn't it just Monday one of the administrations talking heads said there was no real threat in Mosul? The ditz blond, can't remember her name. 24 hours later Mosul falls to the terrorists. Talk about completely misreading the events on the ground. Of course this is the crew that thought Benghazi was a summer camp in the desert all the way until the dead ambassador was being dragged through the streets.
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanth...-first-quarter-2014-down-from-first-estimate/
29 May 2014

"New data shows the U.S. economy contracted in the first quarter of this year, keeping pace with shifting expectations but down sharply from the prior — already disappointing — estimate.

"On Thursday, the Bureau of Economic Analysis’ second estimate of real gross domestic product showed output produced in the U.S. declined at an annual rate of 1% in the first quarter of 2014. This is relative to fourth quarter 2013, when real GDP increased 2.6%.

"The estimate is down significantly from BEA’s 0.1% advance estimate released last month and makes Q1 the U.S. economy’s worst quarter in three years. However, economists were anticipating a downward revision and the major stock indices remained in the green immediately after the release indicating investors were also prepared for bad news.

"In a note on the release PNC Chief Economist Stuart Hoffman wrote, “I believe this real GDP decline, mostly due to the polar vortex, coiled the ‘economic spring’ even tighter for a sharp snap- back (boing!) this quarter where I have an above-consensus forecast for a 4.0% annualized rise in real GDP. I expect real GDP growth to settle back down to near a 2.8 percent annual rate in the second half of this year.”

"The revision, BEA explained in a release, was largely due to a greater than previously estimated decline in private inventories. The 1% decrease in real GDP reflected the negative contribution from private inventory investment as well as declining exports, declines in both residential and nonresidential fixed investment and lower local government spending. The rate was also negatively impacted by an increase in imports but partially offset by an increase in federal government spending (the first in a year and a half)."

Anyway, back to Iraq. Literally! Let's do a Bush II, sharply increase spending, and reinvade Iraq!
 
My heart goes out to every single person who served in Iraq, especially when they see this happening to the country they fought to liberate. Some don't have limbs (some come to my gym in wheelchairs). I saw a guy shortly after the Iraq conflict started who had almost no face left. Some had brothers who died fighting in or for these cities that are now falling to a terrorist organization that we were promised was defeated so a politician could get re-elected (which is why Benghazi was covered up, because it exposed that lie.) I'm sure in the minds of the Hillary's and Obama's of the world it doesn't make a difference that Iraq is falling.


It's a fucking shame so much blood and treasure was spent for nothing. I can't imagine how those who served in Iraq, and soon Afghanistan can feel when they watch it all go to shit because of politics. (I didn't serve during wartime, though my wife did. She feels the same as I). When I see the state of our nation, I also feel the same for all those who died or sacrificed greatly in WW1 and WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.
 
I've recently spent some time on live leak watching combat footage that can't be seen anywhere else, and ISIS scum have got to be the most ruthless fucks on the face of this planet. They were originally al qaeda in iraq, but were so extreme that AQ gave them the boot. This is the group taking cities in Iraq. They don't only fight westerners, they murder anyone they deem is not a real muslim. they have no problem killing civilians, kids, anything really.

The sick thing is, these are the same freaks in syria who fight on the side our govt wanted to back! That's right, the FSA is a dwindling bunch of goofs that didn't and doesn't have a chance against the assad regime, it is ISIS that has won serious battles against the regime and now occupies a significant chunk of northern syria. They are apparently expanding and they put out Hi Def propaganda pieces.. which are crazy violent. Someone is arming them and funding them. If it's us, we are helping the same (or worse) jihadi cavemen that bombed us on 9/11/01.

We should give Assad better chemicals to drop on them.
 
PiggyBank said:
I've recently spent some time on live leak watching combat footage that can't be seen anywhere else, and ISIS scum have got to be the most ruthless fucks on the face of this planet. They were originally al qaeda in iraq, but were so extreme that AQ gave them the boot. This is the group taking cities in Iraq. They don't only fight westerners, they murder anyone they deem is not a real muslim. they have no problem killing civilians, kids, anything really.

The sick thing is, these are the same freaks in syria who fight on the side our govt wanted to back! That's right, the FSA is a dwindling bunch of goofs that didn't and doesn't have a chance against the assad regime, it is ISIS that has won serious battles against the regime and now occupies a significant chunk of northern syria. They are apparently expanding and they put out Hi Def propaganda pieces.. which are crazy violent. Someone is arming them and funding them. If it's us, we are helping the same (or worse) jihadi cavemen that bombed us on 9/11/01.

We should give Assad better chemicals to drop on them.
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As I recall there were many groups battling Assad under the the umbrella "rebels", and unfortunately these Islamic fundamentalists were part of them. You couldn't assist the former without unintentionally assisting the latter.
 
Ricter said:
As I recall there were many groups battling Assad under the the umbrella "rebels", and unfortunately these Islamic fundamentalists were part of them. You couldn't assist the former without unintentionally assisting the latter.
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Ok, well according to an article about isis in today's ibtimes.com, the US is working against ISIS with Tehran, Damascus and Riyadh.

So the US gov't is unintentionally assisting Iran. And the US is also unintentionally assisting Damascus and Assad, not long after we were attempting to help rebels drive him out of power.

Good to know who Obama is unintentionally assisting.
 
Ricter said:
As I recall there were many groups battling Assad under the the umbrella "rebels", and unfortunately these Islamic fundamentalists were part of them. You couldn't assist the former without unintentionally assisting the latter.
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Is is a good idea to you, or even ok with you as an American, that we would provide support to a group that splintered off the same group of radical muslims which killed 3000+ of our civilians as well as US soldiers in iraq.. for any reason, ever?
 
PiggyBank said:
Is is a good idea to you, or even ok with you as an American, that we would provide support to a group that splintered off the same group of radical muslims which killed 3000+ of our civilians as well as US soldiers in iraq.. for any reason, ever?
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Well, if you fortify Assad you may be furthering Iran's goals. So if you're ok supporting Assad, at least long enough to defeat ISIL, then you have another dilemma.
 
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