How can a man be part of a church that blames the poverty of blacks on white rich folk, when that man himself (Obama) has almost made it to the white house with the support of the same white people his church bashes? All I see is a minority man who has gone very far in this country by educated himself and working towards his goal. I don't see him as an opressed black man the way his church would like to paoint the picture.
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Obama and the Minister
- Thread starter rubibond007
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If the shoe fits...
Quote from Sparohok:
Do you believe that black anger is unjustified?
Martin
I think it has become tiresome.
This country bends over backwards for blacks and other minorities. The kind of raw explosive anger that Rev. Wright demonstrates is particularly unappealing. He encourages the all too common situation of blacks who go ballistic at the slightest frustration or perceived indignity. Now we find that the man who was supposed to take us past all that isn't even past it himself. He clearly admires Rev. Wright.
But you said Obama was all about unity. How is accusing over half of the country of being racists just to justify attending a church filled with rabid racists for twenty years and exposing his own daughters to hate speech and racism, unifying?Quote from buster_hymen:
If the shoe fits...
Please explain this to me. Cliches like "If the shoe fits..." just tell me that you agree with pastor Wright. Do you? Because Obama just agreed with him.
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
I think it has become tiresome.
This country bends over backwards for blacks and other minorities. The kind of raw explosive anger that Rev. Wright demonstrates is particularly unappealing. He encourages the all too common situation of blacks who go ballistic at the slightest frustration or perceived indignity. Now we find that the man who was supposed to take us past all that isn't even past it himself. He clearly admires Rev. Wright.
Yes this is waht confuses me. Obama speaks intelligently and with the understanding that people need to move beyond the hatred, racism and playing the victim in order to go to a new level and make changes. Then it is revealed he has spent 20 years as a supporter of a church that keeps playing the race card and crying the victim and lashing out at white people. Obama could have easily found another place of worship that was not so radical, that was not so full of hatred for white people, and which promoted finding ways to educate and improve the black situation instead of just teaches them to keep crying victim. That is Obamas contradiction that most likely has ended his chance at the presidency.
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There is a gap between Obama's rap and his act.
Like many charismatic people before him, his skill is in projecting what people want to see, what they want to believe in, what they want to have, etc.
I think when he talks about hope, he is talking about his own internal and ongoing struggle to rise above his own past and the influence it has on him.
When he says "yes we can" he is saying that "no, we have not." "No, I have not."
Listening carefully to his speeches reveals the man beneath the message, and the man is a dreamer who is hoping to one day arrive at a place where he is fully comfortable in his own skin...
The "Audacity of Hope" is founded on a level of stark personal hopelessness, with an attempt to rise above it. I don't think Obama has truly risen above the conditions that led him to where he is today. It is very common to find charismatic people preaching to the masses about solutions to their problems, while at the very same time being unable to solve their own.
It is seemingly inspirational for those who are struggling with the same issues, and appeals to the emotions so vividly. but it is a con job when their own condition is fundamentally unsound. The foundation is not based on reason or practical knowledge, but rather on fanciful hopes and dreams with no actual practical plan to achieve them.
There is something seriously wrong and flawed with a process that makes getting elected president the greatest accomplishment of a man or woman prior to actually being president.
Great accomplishments should be the requirement for becoming president, not simply winning a popularity contest or using rhetoric and oratory skills in a manipulative manner to get there...
Like many charismatic people before him, his skill is in projecting what people want to see, what they want to believe in, what they want to have, etc.
I think when he talks about hope, he is talking about his own internal and ongoing struggle to rise above his own past and the influence it has on him.
When he says "yes we can" he is saying that "no, we have not." "No, I have not."
Listening carefully to his speeches reveals the man beneath the message, and the man is a dreamer who is hoping to one day arrive at a place where he is fully comfortable in his own skin...
The "Audacity of Hope" is founded on a level of stark personal hopelessness, with an attempt to rise above it. I don't think Obama has truly risen above the conditions that led him to where he is today. It is very common to find charismatic people preaching to the masses about solutions to their problems, while at the very same time being unable to solve their own.
It is seemingly inspirational for those who are struggling with the same issues, and appeals to the emotions so vividly. but it is a con job when their own condition is fundamentally unsound. The foundation is not based on reason or practical knowledge, but rather on fanciful hopes and dreams with no actual practical plan to achieve them.
There is something seriously wrong and flawed with a process that makes getting elected president the greatest accomplishment of a man or woman prior to actually being president.
Great accomplishments should be the requirement for becoming president, not simply winning a popularity contest or using rhetoric and oratory skills in a manipulative manner to get there...
Quote from trendlover:
Yes this is waht confuses me. Obama speaks intelligently and with the understanding that people need to move beyond the hatred, racism and playing the victim in order to go to a new level and make changes. Then it is revealed he has spent 20 years as a supporter of a church that keeps playing the race card and crying the victim and lashing out at white people. Obama could have easily found another place of worship that was not so radical, that was not so full of hatred for white people, and which promoted finding ways to educate and improve the black situation instead of just teaches them to keep crying victim. That is Obamas contradiction that most likely has ended his chance at the presidency.
Sounds like hapaboy...
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Quote from ratboy88:
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Sorry, but the theatrics cracked me up on this one...another pastor on a power trip yes? The man does make sense when he tries to tell his followers to stop expecting a hand out and make effort to better themselves. But also clear from this video this man hates Obama and feels Obama is tainted becasue of his white mother (BIG RACIST ISSUES HERE) And this preacher is clearly on a power trip of his own and feels Obama is his competition.
I understand that you are tired of it, I am too. But that doesn't make it unjustified. Given the way this country has treated black people for the last several hundred years, even to this day, I am willing to tolerate a little over-compensation.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
I think it has become tiresome.
You have seen perhaps a minute or two of oratory from Rev. Wright out of a lifetime of public and private speech. Perhaps Obama admires him for something other than the tiny slice you are choosing to judge him with. What is it that you saw on Fox News that makes you believe you are a better judge of Rev. Wright's character than Obama, who is his lifelong friend, yet has every political incentive to repudiate him?Now we find that the man who was supposed to take us past all that isn't even past it himself. He clearly admires Rev. Wright.
One thing I do know, even very wise people can say some very stupid things when they have an adoring crowd hanging on their every word.
Martin