You have seen nothing yet. The black churches and Oprah (color purple) have a much bigger agenda --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_for_slavery
They are all keeping it quiet for now.
Someone at Fox News could do a juicy story on this.
Obama and the Minister
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You have seen nothing yet. The black churches and Oprah (color purple) have a much bigger agenda --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_for_slavery
They are all keeping it quiet for now.
Someone at Fox News could do a juicy story on this.
I can never condone hate, but considering that white Christians defended slavery and segregation for centuries, arguing that those practices were biblically defensible, I can understand why black churches have developed their own niche.
It is no wonder why 11 AM Sunday morning is the most segregated hour of the week.
It is no wonder why 11 AM Sunday morning is the most segregated hour of the week.
i realize that i'm not going to change any opinions by speaking here. most of you guys are dyed in the wool republicans and probably all white males. and, as they say, where you sit is where you take a stand. i expect most, if not all of you to condemn obama and pastor (especially the latter) as racist while believing that you all are blameless in this regard and hold no racist tendencies whatsoever, an assertion i would seriously question. like jesus said (paraphrasing) "take out the log in your own eye before you remove the twig in someone else's eye." my guess is you're all angry and that's why you gravitated to this thread. i came here for a different reason.
when i look at the background from which obama came, african muslim father, white mother from midwestern u.s., raised partly in indonesia with asian stepfather, partly in hawaii, going to a rich kid's school (punahoe), going in a wayward direction before righting himself again, having no affirming role models in his environment as a "black" male, i try to see what his motivations are and where he is going.
i tend to be rather cynical and question the motives of all politicians. obama is no exception. but i would explain his actions as follows.
he has always had a way with people. he went to harvard law school and was the first "black" president of the Harvard Law Review. went to work for a law firm in chicago where he met his future wife. at some point along the way, someone probably told him he would be good at politics, because he had a way with words. since he was in chicago, he set his sights on local government and went about building a base. chicago is one of the most racist and racially segregated cities in the country, so it doesn't astound me that the black church there would be particularly vocal about the obstacles its parishioners face. he chose a particularly large black church on southside chicago to build his name in social outreach and build a political base.
the strength of the democratic party is social outreach. people who vote democrat are either non-affluent or believe in social outreach/equity/justice. that's it. if you're rich and white and don't much care about anyone who is not, then you don't vote democrat. end of story. to build a base in the democratic party, obama would have had to build a name for himself in social outreach and what better way than to join a church doing just that? could he have joined a touchy feely multiracial church and accomplished the same goal? i doubt it , considering he was in chicago and not san francisco. i doubt he would have dreamed, twenty years ago (or even ten) that he would later become the frontrunner candidate for president in 2008 and have some words his pastor said come flying back in his face. i don't think he joined the church because he had any racist tendencies. i don't think he has a racist bone in his body. but people who were stung by the words of his pastor are going to take offense and pick at everything he says and does because they feel like "how dare you say we're wrong". hopefully, those who believed in his message from the beginning or were leaning his way will see past the hype and realize he's still the same person he always was, the least racist person running for president.
when i look at the background from which obama came, african muslim father, white mother from midwestern u.s., raised partly in indonesia with asian stepfather, partly in hawaii, going to a rich kid's school (punahoe), going in a wayward direction before righting himself again, having no affirming role models in his environment as a "black" male, i try to see what his motivations are and where he is going.
i tend to be rather cynical and question the motives of all politicians. obama is no exception. but i would explain his actions as follows.
he has always had a way with people. he went to harvard law school and was the first "black" president of the Harvard Law Review. went to work for a law firm in chicago where he met his future wife. at some point along the way, someone probably told him he would be good at politics, because he had a way with words. since he was in chicago, he set his sights on local government and went about building a base. chicago is one of the most racist and racially segregated cities in the country, so it doesn't astound me that the black church there would be particularly vocal about the obstacles its parishioners face. he chose a particularly large black church on southside chicago to build his name in social outreach and build a political base.
the strength of the democratic party is social outreach. people who vote democrat are either non-affluent or believe in social outreach/equity/justice. that's it. if you're rich and white and don't much care about anyone who is not, then you don't vote democrat. end of story. to build a base in the democratic party, obama would have had to build a name for himself in social outreach and what better way than to join a church doing just that? could he have joined a touchy feely multiracial church and accomplished the same goal? i doubt it , considering he was in chicago and not san francisco. i doubt he would have dreamed, twenty years ago (or even ten) that he would later become the frontrunner candidate for president in 2008 and have some words his pastor said come flying back in his face. i don't think he joined the church because he had any racist tendencies. i don't think he has a racist bone in his body. but people who were stung by the words of his pastor are going to take offense and pick at everything he says and does because they feel like "how dare you say we're wrong". hopefully, those who believed in his message from the beginning or were leaning his way will see past the hype and realize he's still the same person he always was, the least racist person running for president.
Are you American? Have you ever even been to Chicago.
Yes, I'm angry. I'm angry that clueless morons like you are not aborted. See I do believe in "equity (your stupid mis-spelling)/justice".
Yes, I'm angry. I'm angry that clueless morons like you are not aborted. See I do believe in "equity (your stupid mis-spelling)/justice".
Ok. I'm not a Republican. I usually am in support of the candidate I dislike the least. But this is a horrible statement you just made. You just highlighted the best part of the democratic party and the worst part of the republican party. It's one of the most distorted, unfair statements I've heard.
Let me rephrase what you just said but the other way around. The strength of the republican party is hard work. The republican party is generally hard working people that want to build this country by allowing it's private citizens to flourish in a low tax, small government, highly pro-business oriented environment, eventually raising the standard of living for everyone. If you're poor, lazy, unemployed black guy looking for a handout then you don't vote republican. Does that sound like a fair statement to you?
Rather simplistic, don't you think?
Dave Barry said it best when he pointed out that Democrats like their bloated, inefficient SOCIAL programs, whereas Republicans like their bloated, inefficient MILITARY programs.
Neither party is for small government, because small government means less power.
When was the last time a politician sought less power and influence?
Republicans do not mind spending money on what matters to them.
Then again, neither do Democrats.
The difference is in what matters to them.
As for taxes, both parties are most interested in cutting taxes for those groups who tend to vote for them.
We should hear a lot about that this year. After all, we have about seven months to go.
I like Dave Barry but Democrats are the traditional party of war.
WWl: Woodrow Wilson, 53,402 American deaths.
WWll: FDR, 291,557 American deaths
Korea: Truman, 33,741 American deaths
Vietnam: JFK/LBJ 47,424
GOP GHB's Gulf War lost 147 troops while Iraq has lost less than 4k.
WWl: Woodrow Wilson, 53,402 American deaths.
WWll: FDR, 291,557 American deaths
Korea: Truman, 33,741 American deaths
Vietnam: JFK/LBJ 47,424
GOP GHB's Gulf War lost 147 troops while Iraq has lost less than 4k.
Yes, white churches were just as guilty of justifying slavery with bible twists. We are talking about now, now that this white obression is not tolerated and is kept in check by laws. Slavery has ended. It was a crime against black people that has been proven wrong and ended. So why is it still being used as an excuse to allow black people to perpetuate thier white hate? Some black people (who were never slaves) hold onto this crime for leverage to justify their own bad behavior. Guilt trip layed on whites (who were never slave owners) That is the point How long must white people say they are sorry for the past?
Thank you for being up front and admitting that you are a bigot. Always nice to know whom we have to deal with.
Yes it seems quite evident that you came here to spout your bigotry - go right ahead...
Well I agree - if he thinks anything like you, what you say is probably true. And therefore he is probably a bigot just like you.
Being a self-admitted bigot it is not surprising you see the world so black and white.
Thanks for defining Obama's base for us - racists who cheer a black Archie Bunker spouting racism and America-hate from the pulpit.
I am sure you are right. He probably thinks he should have masked his overt racist sympathies better than he has.
Ah shucks - you were doin' so well. The first step is always admitting who you really are. I'm afraid with this statement you have fallen off the wagon. You are still a Kool Aid drinker if you can't admit that going to a hate-America cult for twenty years, filled with thousands of racists, and exposing your children to these cultists, doesn't make a person one of these America-bashing, racist cultists.
I think the message from the mothership got garbled on this one. No one is offended because we feel like "how dare you say we're wrong". It's because what he says is offensive.
I'm sure there are still a lot of Kool Aid drinkers just like you...