Obama and Hillary did start ISIS - Trump is right again

There were 17 people and they guy with the loudest voice won.
If we can, against the backdrop of sometimes very undemocratic party politics, begin to understand why Trump was successful and the others weren't, we can begin to understand the defects of democracy and what elements are essential for it to work well. Democracy seems to have the least worst defects of all known forms of government; yet it provides us with no guarantee of good government.
 
If we can, against the backdrop of sometimes very undemocratic party politics, begin to understand why Trump was successful and the others weren't, we can begin to understand the defects of democracy and what elements are essential for it to work well. Democracy seems to have the least worst defects of all known forms of government; yet it provides us with no guarantee of good government.
Some insight into that here:
Why We're Post-Fact
 
Thanks for that reference. It would take me at least two semesters to really understand all of it.

:)

Let me tell you what it makes me think:

The biggest problem we have in the world is there are too many people. People all have ambitions for themselves and for their children. Isis, more than anything, is the result of angry disenfranchised young Arab men, loosed from any family or tribal memberships for whom there is no future... and little present. Isis has become their tribe and we in the west are their enemy.

There is really only one ultimate solution to this problem and it is one which has been invoked by history repeatedly: WAR with large numbers of causalities. Competing ant colonies do it all the time. Resources are limited, populations are excessive, It is fundamental biology.

If we (in the US) are lucky we will be able to sit by and let the middle east reset itself. Our previous attempts to custom design a middle east to fit our needs have not been effective. We should keep immigration to a minimum...out of simple self interest.

I think the best use of US military resources is to use drones to kill as many as possible with minimal risk to ourselves. The Military should work on ever more effective and more lethal drones.

Since we are not ants but can think and plan you can only do four things: protect your children, protect yourself, conserve your resources, hope for a better future...with fewer people.
You would, I'm sure, enjoy reading E.O. Wilson's "The social conquest of Earth" -- Wilson is the World's foremost expert on ants. Both ants and people are eusocial species. And it turns out that there are not many of us eusocial species. Bees are another.
 
Some insight into that here:
Why We're Post-Fact
Interesting. Read it this morning. As someone who has been around longer than most here, I would say that there is no doubt that conspiracy and disinformation, although it's always been with us, now competes effectively with facts in establishing our own realities to a far greater extent than in the pre-internet era. Will this matter? I suppose it means that the most practiced and skilled liars will prevail in the media and therefore have the greatest influence in the lives of those "hooked up." Truth may become the province of a few nerds who can read more than 140 characters without boredom setting in and don't care if they are loved or not.

Edit: Oh my god! I think I may have just inadvertently described Bernie.
 
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If we can, against the backdrop of sometimes very undemocratic party politics, begin to understand why Trump was successful and the others weren't, we can begin to understand the defects of democracy and what elements are essential for it to work well. Democracy seems to have the least worst defects of all known forms of government; yet it provides us with no guarantee of good government.

You speak of democracy but their was no such democracy in Trumps nomination.
 
yeah..... because its really important to let a man with a penis into a womens rest room with women and girls in it.

This is what happens... the left screws the workers and the tax payers and then brings up a wedge issue to keep some people voting for the globalists trying to extract all the freedom and assets out of the country they can.

I suggest you read this... about team soros and friends...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-global-elites-forsake-their-countrymen-1470959258
How Global Elites Forsake Their Countrymen


not to mention the recently discovered dangers attendant to use of restrooms by transsexuals without a genitalia clearance. This is clearly an area of concern made to order for TSA and their "special" scanning equipment. But, as we know, lefties are trying to block these essential genitalia screenings because then want our children to be molested by godless, socialist transsexuals.
 
yeah..... because its really important to let a man with a penis into a womens rest room with women and girls in it.

This is what happens... the left screws the workers and the tax payers and then brings up a wedge issue to keep some people voting for the globalists trying to extract all the freedom and assets out of the country they can.

I suggest you read this... about team soros and friends...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-global-elites-forsake-their-countrymen-1470959258
How Global Elites Forsake Their Countrymen


What the fuck are you babbling about now? Holy crap, you are out to lunch without your pail. Take your meds.

Wall St Urinal? LOL. You don't even pretend to be objective.
 
You speak of democracy but their was no such democracy in Trumps nomination.
I was thinking in the opposite direction actually. I thought possibly the reason Trump was able to get the Republican nomination was that the party had allowed too much, "from the party's viewpoint," democracy in the nomination process and as a consequence the establishment lost control.Trump had great appeal to a sizable fraction of the Republican base, and apparently it was a majority of Republican primary voters. That would make it a democratic process, wouldn't it?

Whereas the democratic nomination was, as has been confirmed for us, a very much inside operation with Hillary more or less having the nomination sewed up from the outset. And I think in the end, even if you don't count superdelegates, she got more votes in primaries then Bernie. However a number of those primaries were closed. Bernie seemed to do better in the primaries where independents could vote or in the caucus states. Had all the democratic primaries been open primaries then Bernie might have edged out Hillary in the total vote, but there were not enough open primaries for this to happen.

I'd welcome, however, a different opinion. I'm not at all certain I've got this right.
 
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Wikileaks via the NSA released state department emails that clearly showed Hillary Clinton ordering the arming of Isis in Libya and Syria against the warning of the CIA and American generals.

The Clinton foundation is now under multiple investigations for corruption and selling influence to foreign powers.

Further, 50 intelligence analysts from centcom blew the whistle that Obama distorted Intel on Isis to shield them from attack

Obama and Clinton clearly are in bed with the jihadis.
 
I was thinking in the opposite direction actually. I thought possibly the reason Trump was able to get the Republican nomination was that the party had allowed too much, "from the party's viewpoint," democracy in the nomination process and as a consequence the establishment lost control.Trump had great appeal to a sizable fraction of the Republican base, and apparently it was a majority of Republican primary voters. That would make it a democratic process, wouldn't it?

Whereas the democratic nomination was, as has been confirmed for us, a very much inside operation with Hillary more or less having the nomination sewed up from the outset. And I think in the end, even if you don't count superdelegates, she got more votes in primaries then Bernie. However a number of those primaries were closed. Bernie seemed to do better in the primaries where independents could vote or in the caucus states. Had all the democratic primaries been open primaries then Bernie might have edged out Hillary in the total vote, but there were not enough open primaries for this to happen.

I'd welcome, however, a different opinion. I'm not at all certain I've got this right.

No he did not appeal to the majority of Republican voters. He got roughly 42% of the vote which means 58% did not vote for him.

58>42

The 42 number is flawed also because he ran un-opposed in the final primaries so he was really somewhere in the 38% to 40% range.

I still stand by my analysis that it was crowded field and the guy with the loudest voice won.
 
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