obama admits he is a socialist

[oldtime]

it aint that hard to be esoteric

that's how Jesus did it

always speak in parables

 

[chasinfla]

Quote from deucy28:
I prefer to see it as a political spectrum...

liberalism on the left.................^^^^^^^^^^.............. conservatism on the right.

Conservatism is really neither left nor right, despite oft-repeated associations. Some who are conservative in their convictions consider themselves "right" because they have never been exposed to a healthy definition of conservatism nor been offered an alternative description of such convictions by those who speak as authorities on the subject -- most of whom are left-leaning.

The core of conservatism is informed by natural law. The further away from that core one moves - either to the left or the right - the less "conservative" one is. There are extremes of left and right (both have been evident in dictatorships), and since, by definition, conservatism in not extreme, it cannot be the "extreme opposite of the Left."

 

[chasinfla]

I am retracting the following:

Quote from chasinfla:
And as for the results (currently 2:1 against) , the delusional population is known to be higher among traders, young adult males, and those who post to internet message boards, so no surprise there.

In the first place, it's rude, however true. In the second, there were only three votes in, one by the thread-starter, another by either his friend or his alias, and the other by me. It was clear that, as the response sample grew in size, the truth would be manifest in the results.

 

[deucy28]

Quote from chasinfla:

Conservatism is really neither left nor right, despite oft-repeated associations. The core of conservatism is informed by natural law. The further away from that core one moves - either to the left or the right - the less "conservative" one is. There are extremes of left and right (both have been evident in dictatorships), and since, by definition, conservatism in not extreme, it cannot be the "extreme opposite of the Left."

I made no implications how far to the right conservatism is. I will now. Conservatism is to the right of center. It is just right of a social (or "moderate")conservatism. Right of that is reactionary, such as fascism.

 

[oldtime]

Quote from chasinfla:

Conservatism is really neither left nor right, despite oft-repeated associations. Some who are conservative in their convictions consider themselves "right" because they have never been exposed to a healthy definition of conservatism nor been offered an alternative description of such convictions by those who speak as authorities on the subject -- most of whom are left-leaning.

The core of conservatism is informed by natural law. The further away from that core one moves - either to the left or the right - the less "conservative" one is. There are extremes of left and right (both have been evident in dictatorships), and since, by definition, conservatism in not extreme, it cannot be the "extreme opposite of the Left."

well, you could say the same thing for socialism, it is just as equally informed by natural law

 

[chasinfla]

Quote from oldtime:

well, you could say the same thing for socialism, it is just as equally informed by natural law

It's clearly not, though it has borrowed from it and to that extent it is a progressive perversion of it. Its implications for social organization are vastly different than that of conservatism.

 

[chasinfla]

Quote from deucy28:

Conservatism is to the right of center.

Says who? And what, exactly, is "center"?

 

[Eight]

Quote from deucy28:

I made no implications how far to the right conservatism is. I will now. Conservatism is to the right of center. It is just right of a social (or "moderate")conservatism. Right of that is reactionary, such as fascism.

If you define fascism as government and business working together to screw over everybody else then you are describing Democrats.

 

[oldtime]

Quote from chasinfla:

It's clearly not, though it has borrowed from it and to that extent it is a progressive perversion of it. Its implications for social organization are vastly different than that of conservatism.

well, one good thing about being a conservative is you always believe whatever house of cards the socialists have set up will eventually come falling down.

so no real action is needed

what I meant was, the goal for both is that everybody should have enough

there is absolutely no reason any child in the world should go to bed (if they have one) hungry

that is the law of nature

and if anyone is hungry it is a perversion of natural law

 

[deltastrike]

Worst. Socialist. Ever.