Obama administration is an abject failure?

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Many of those are uninformed. Some are unrealistic. One or two are so vague (a strong military is essential) who could disagree?
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I agree that some are vague, but at face value what is it that you disagree with?

Also, none of them are alien or newly introduced principles/concepts in the US, so how is it they are radical? Here is an example of radical, a federal program that allows bureaucrats to spy on US citizens. A concept I doubt was familiar to ANY of the previous generations of Americans.
 
not that I have a problem with much of that list but ... that website was founded in 2004.

it therefore is not the tea party which got going after tarp spending and obama spending and the size of govt.

many times tea party people say the tea party is really about taxes and spending and too big govt.

the other things on that list may be things much of the tea party agrees with... but time after time tea party people are careful not to mix those issue in.

at least that is what I have seen.



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The Tea Party

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.


http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/


Who could be against those things? Especially the gun ownership is sacred thing. And I don't think they are being strong enough about the traditional family values....those that don't agree with them should be taken out and shot with the sacred guns.
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I agree that some are vague, but at face value what is it that you disagree with?

Also, none of them are alien or newly introduced principles/concepts in the US, so how is it they are radical? Here is an example of radical, a federal program that allows bureaucrats to spy on US citizens. A concept I doubt was familiar to ANY of the previous generations of Americans.
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They could remain vague but still at least hint at the ability to analyze circumstances. "Government must be downsized." No, government must be rightsized.
 
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They could remain vague but still at least hint at the ability to analyze circumstances. "Government must be downsized." No, government must be rightsized.
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I think this is our most fundamental disagreement. I say the federal govt, specifically, must be limited to it's Constitutional boundaries. You say that it must 'rightsized' which I assume means it must expand/contract subjectively according to circumstance. Correct?
 
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They could remain vague but still at least hint at the ability to analyze circumstances. "Government must be downsized." No, government must be rightsized.
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Being that private sector should be about what 3 x the govt sector?
that there should be more private tax payers than food stamp recipients.
 
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I think this is our most fundamental disagreement. I say the federal govt, specifically, must be limited to it's Constitutional boundaries. You say that it must 'rightsized' which I assume means it must expand/contract subjectively according to circumstance. Correct?
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That is correct. As society grows in size and complexity, and our competition's society's do as well, it's quite probable that government will need to grow too. Other variables pertain, like productivity for example, but the point is, it's not so simple as "has to be smaller".
 
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To say the Tea Party is extreme because they don't want amnesty, and that they should compromise is pretty silly. You either grant amnesty or you do not. How does one compromise on yes/no issues?

As for bibles in science class, I've looked all over the Tea Party's official platform. I don't see that mentioned anywhere. Can someone point me to it? My suspicion is that there are a few folks out there using the Tea Party to further their own agenda - much the same as a few extreme secular progressives use various engines in the democratic party to go crazy with as well.
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Mr. roofer, bentarrow just called people who believe in God's Creation of the Heavens and Earth, "creation nuts." I rest my case in dealing with this lost soul. There will be plenty of room for him in Hell... I wonder if he KNOWS that Jesus was a Carpenter just like he is?
 
Quote from Ricter:

That is correct. As society grows in size and complexity, and our competition's society's do as well, it's quite probable that government will need to grow too. Other variables pertain, like productivity for example, but the point is, it's not so simple as "has to be smaller".
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Then amend the Constitution. There is a process for that, and it has been done before when something was important enough.
 
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Being that private sector should be about what 3 x the govt sector?
that there should be more private tax payers than food stamp recipients.
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Says who? Maybe a people would decide they want machines providing their food. As automation advances there is not necessarily a new place waiting for the displaced, at least not in the timeframe that concerns an empty belly.
 
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