NYSE specialist

Quote from MorganSys:

PS, the specialist is not required to supply liquidity in normal markets.

Actually........

A specialist performs five essential functions in the specific securities allocated to him/her:.


Manage the auction process.. To maintain a fair and orderly market in a particular security, the specialist establishes the opening price for his security every day. Then, during the day, he quotes the current bid and offer prices to brokers

Execute orders for floor brokers.. The specialist can execute an order immediately or hold the order and execute it when the stock reaches the specific price requested by the customer. As a dealer, the specialist will buy or sell stock from his own inventory to keep the market liquid or to prevent rapid price changes.

Serve as catalysts.. Specialists are the point of contact between brokers with buy and sell orders. The specialist acts as a catalyst, bringing buyers and sellers together enabling a transaction to take place that otherwise would not have occurred.

Provide capital. If buy orders temporarily outpace sell orders, or conversely if sell orders outpace buy orders, the specialist is required to use his firm's own capital to minimize the imbalance. This is done by buying or selling against the trend of the market until a price is reached at which public supply and demand are once again in balance. Usually public order meets public order without specialist participation, however, specialists do participate in about 10 percent of all shares traded.

Stabilize prices. To ensure that stock trading moves smoothly, with minimal price fluctuation, the specialist will step in against the market trend. Specialists buy and sell stock to cushion temporary imbalances and to avoid unreasonable price variations.

Just to add my 2 cents :)

But I do agree with you that moving the stock with fake orders is pure manipulation. The SEC has said they are going to start cracking down on it. However, anyone who has learned to trade from a market depth window, has accepted this form of manipulation as part of the game and probably worked it into their strategy.

Point being, if absolutely nobody else follows the rules, why should we?
 
Quote from 88888accountant:

Actually........

A specialist performs five essential functions in the specific securities allocated to him/her:.


Manage the auction process.. To maintain a fair and orderly market in a particular security, the specialist establishes the opening price for his security every day. Then, during the day, he quotes the current bid and offer prices to brokers

Execute orders for floor brokers.. The specialist can execute an order immediately or hold the order and execute it when the stock reaches the specific price requested by the customer. As a dealer, the specialist will buy or sell stock from his own inventory to keep the market liquid or to prevent rapid price changes.

Serve as catalysts.. Specialists are the point of contact between brokers with buy and sell orders. The specialist acts as a catalyst, bringing buyers and sellers together enabling a transaction to take place that otherwise would not have occurred.

Provide capital. If buy orders temporarily outpace sell orders, or conversely if sell orders outpace buy orders, the specialist is required to use his firm's own capital to minimize the imbalance. This is done by buying or selling against the trend of the market until a price is reached at which public supply and demand are once again in balance. Usually public order meets public order without specialist participation, however, specialists do participate in about 10 percent of all shares traded.

Stabilize prices. To ensure that stock trading moves smoothly, with minimal price fluctuation, the specialist will step in against the market trend. Specialists buy and sell stock to cushion temporary imbalances and to avoid unreasonable price variations.

Just to add my 2 cents :)

But I do agree with you that moving the stock with fake orders is pure manipulation. The SEC has said they are going to start cracking down on it. However, anyone who has learned to trade from a market depth window, has accepted this form of manipulation as part of the game and probably worked it into their strategy.

Point being, if absolutely nobody else follows the rules, why should we?
I guess it´s just a matter of defining such words as unreasonable... & rapid price changes...
 
Quote from 88888accountant:

Actually........

You are absolutely correct. I meant to exclude those conditions by saying "in normal markets," but I guess normal markets might include those conditions :p.
 
Quote from Hydroblunt:

No because it is regular practice. If you have ever watched an order progs operate you would understand that working the bid/offers is part of the process. A fund wants a lot of stock and they don't want to get killed on the price. That's why they hire either a group of ppl or a top tier trading firm to work the order. Often, that requires working the market depth with various orders to not show your hand and hopefully show the complete opposite.

To use your logic is to say that every institution trying to get a good order fill is immoral & unethical. So basically, when these guys hire a MM or specialist to do a large order fill and then the MM or specialist spends a day accumulating stock by running his games of making the stock look weak as much as possible, they are all breaking the law.

Come on, be reasonable.

Don't forget that a big portion of funds and other institutions use the VWAP type of order to eliminate the need to "work an order".

Don
 
Quote from kwancy:

What is a VWAP order Don?

Volume Weighted Average Price.

Its a guaranteed fill if you place it by a certain time before the next 'print' I believe.
 
Quote from Szeven:

Volume Weighted Average Price.

Its a guaranteed fill if you place it by a certain time before the next 'print' I believe.

Rather than rely on some broker's trading expertise, they pay a little more commish to be guaranteed the VWAP for the day. I think the order has to be placed prior to the opening print (don't hold me to that). Sometimes the brokerage firm will be buying and selling the same stock to, either make money on the trades to make up for having to deliver stock at a good price, or to "funnel" pricing. Our traders are instructed on how to use the VWAP on our Redi machines.

Don
 
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