Nunes does 180: Trump Team under surveillance. Not connected to Russia. All names revealed.

I think we all understand that you cannot hold Trump to the literal accuracy you would expect from say, a Supreme Court justice. If any of his people were intercepted, incidentally or otherwise, and their identities were improperly unmasked and leaked, Trump will be seen as correct. Whether Obama personally ordered it or it came from his CIA chief or whoever, reasonable people are not going to care. It would be relevant in a criminal prosecution, but in terms of Obama's reputation, not so much. He will be seen as an unprincipled thug who weaponized the intell agencies against domestic opponents.
This may be true, but it is then quite disingenuous for any of us to be admonishing the Clintons for their vague and fork tongued use of the english language. Bottom line, Trump needs to put a wee bit more thought into his tweets.
 
but only conversations by Trump and his team are unmasked and disseminated...
Which is obviously not the case. However since we aren't privy to the inner workings of the NSA we have no way of knowing how many thousands of conversations are unmasked, as you put it, and whose. Maybe you're in the NSA crosshairs right now, as I type this! You're on my list of suspicious characters, so you are probably on the NSA's list as well.. :D

I saw that Snowden had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. What his whistle blowing has to do with Peace, i don't understand. That prize is all to nuanced for me to understand. However I hope he gets the Prize. I'd like to see him rewarded for the favor he has done us all. On the other hand, I'd like to see George the Younger extradited from the Ranch and tried for Treason. Too bad we don't have a Tower of London to lock him up in.
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You think this guy doesn't know about 50 people would verify his claims behind the scenes,
Well, that's a good start, admitting, 'exactly basically' :rolleyes: that you made the whole thing up. The problem is nunes hasn't made any claims, that we no about, 'behind the scenes'. If they were behind the scenes you wouldn't know about them, nor would I. And the claims he made 'in front of the scenes' offer nothing to implicate Obama in spying on Trump!

The only thing that we can be absolutely positive about is that Trump is a disgusting pathological liar.:vomit:
 
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And then unmask and leak.
 
This may be true, but it is then quite disingenuous for any of us to be admonishing the Clintons for their vague and fork tongued use of the english language. Bottom line, Trump needs to put a wee bit more thought into his tweets.

I think there is a difference. He is overbroad and imprecise, and we are so used to careful lawyerlike responses from pols, it is upsetting. The Clintons intentionally use misleading language to hide wrongdoing.

Everyone knows what Trump meant here. It is increasingly looking like he was correct again.
 
What the hell are you talking about?

I am not even happy with Trump right now. I have only made a few posts in the last few weeks and the most pointed were aimed at Trump's support of Ryancare? In my book trump is about 50 /50 as a president right now and I say the reason his support is crumbling is because he almost destroyed his base with Ryancare. So Trump gets a A for Gorsuch and a few other things... but he is getting a few "F"s in quite a few as well.

This wire tapping issue is about liberty and lies... These posts are about pointing out the mis representations Piezoe has been making about this situation.

Trump found out he and his team were being monitored and he tweeted it out. Good we need to know these things. You all should be hopeful we get this information out.

Instead of the country being riled about the Obama admin possibly spying on political opponents - then unmasking and then disseminating the info to the press... people are blaming Trump for his tweet.

Then when Congressman Nunes the head of the intelligence committee says... yes there is info to support Trump... morons attack Trump even more. The press and those who support them... flabbergast me?


Do you know what it means that we are using our technology to spy on 35 world leaders, congress people, the press and political opponents.

Concurrent with this... the administration was using the IRS and other govt agencies against their opponents.


Wake the hell up ... the govt (an others) are stealing our liberty one side at a time and we have a ton of drone fools supporting them.




To be quite blunt, if you are going to continue to believe in Trump like this no matter what he says or does, you deserve the likely negatives coming down the pipe under his leadership. Your obsession with "lefties" isn't going to better your life either. Perhaps you need to consult all the happy investors in Trump Tower in Toronto, and see how it worked out for them. It matters not how well Trump made out in the project, because his lawyers may shield him from civil lawsuits that have started up. What matters is the impact on their brush with Trump had on their lives. The red flags on Trump are quite glaring.

The obsession with blaming Obama still is pretty silly, he's not in power anymore and George W. Bush did far worse to your nation. Focus on what Trump and the Republicans are doing now, they have the power to do whatever they want and the mandate from voters like you to do so. Nothing to stop them really beyond national debt levels and you can pass that burden onto your children or their children. I am glad I live in Canada and my only direct connections to the US are some in laws and my daughter works remotely for a Silicon Valley firm ( but chooses not to live in the US ). It's going to get messy under Trump, I'm not sure Americans will take it well, and I have no idea what the long term will look like. I suspect the US, like Canada in the 1980's, has the ingenuity and ability to work through their issues and fix daunting short term economic problems.
 
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instead of supporting your argument you now do that?
I wrote of unmasking and dissemination.
how many NSA unmaskings have been disseminated to the press?
why now? If they were concerned about Flynn couldn't they have just Judge Roberts him? Or gone to Trump to remove him?

Did Obama cover this all up with order to spread the info widely throughout the govt so that it would be harder to pin this on the leakers?

those are the real questions...a real press would be asking them.



Which is obviously not the case. However since we aren't privy to the inner workings of the NSA we have no way of knowing how many thousands of conversations are unmasked, as you put it, and whose. Maybe you're in the NSA crosshairs right now, as I type this! You're on my list of suspicious characters, so you are probably on the NSA's list as well.. :D

I saw that Snowden had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. What his whistle blowing has to do with Peace, i don't understand. That prize is all to nuanced for me to understand. However I hope he gets the Prize. I'd like to see him rewarded for the favor he has done us all. On the other hand, I'd like to see George the Younger extradited from the Ranch and tried for Treason. Too bad we don't have a Tower of London to lock him up in.
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Lt. McInerney: ‘Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton Are Both in Violation of Espionage Act’

Lt. McInerney said that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both in violation of the Espionage Act. It’s time for a special prosecutor to go after these two and others involved in their criminal activity.


McInerney: “Fingerprints that are now gonna start coming out that will show that the Obama administration was heavily listening to what was going on in the Trump campaign.

They (Democrats) do not want the Trump administration to start looking in at the violation of the Espionage Act by Hillary Clinton with her rogue server and by the President who used a pseudonym on her rogue server and they are both in violation of the Espionage Act. They do not want this to come out so they brought up all these other facts out about Russia.

..the unmasking (of Trump people) is another criminal offense…the special prosecutor should start looking at Hillary’s rogue server…”

Lt Gen McInerney: Hillary Clinton & Barack Obama are both in Violation of Espionage Act

 
Lt. McInerney: ‘Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton Are Both in Violation of Espionage Act’

Lt. McInerney said that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both in violation of the Espionage Act. It’s time for a special prosecutor to go after these two and others involved in their criminal activity.


McInerney: “Fingerprints that are now gonna start coming out that will show that the Obama administration was heavily listening to what was going on in the Trump campaign.

They (Democrats) do not want the Trump administration to start looking in at the violation of the Espionage Act by Hillary Clinton with her rogue server and by the President who used a pseudonym on her rogue server and they are both in violation of the Espionage Act. They do not want this to come out so they brought up all these other facts out about Russia.

..the unmasking (of Trump people) is another criminal offense…the special prosecutor should start looking at Hillary’s rogue server…”

Lt Gen McInerney: Hillary Clinton & Barack Obama are both in Violation of Espionage Act


Its good for our country that Lt Generals don't get to tell The FBI how to do their jobs.
 
instead of supporting your argument you now do that?
I wrote of unmasking and dissemination.
how many NSA unmaskings have been disseminated to the press?
why now? If they were concerned about Flynn couldn't they have just Judge Roberts him? Or gone to Trump to remove him?

Did Obama cover this all up with order to spread the info widely throughout the govt so that it would be harder to pin this on the leakers?

those are the real questions...a real press would be asking them.
You should call Oliver Stone. Maybe you two can make the movie version.
 
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