Number of New York traders at all time low

after 10+ years of trading hundreds of positions each and every day,having endless list of observations,backed with stats and backtesting,comparing my real results with a paper etc you are telling me that those regulations(that created sub penny,hft,order internalization etc) have nothing to do with my trading? stat correlations is one thing,but if you can't get any shares on winning trade no matter how hard you try to get in... from 82 % fill ratio all the way down to <20% now(keep in mind-losers are always filled in full)..i rest my case..good bye

Go to market......filled......end of story. Go cry me a river. Oh wait, I forgot, your margins are a fraction of a penny so if some HFT shaves off a fifth of copper, your businesses is rendered useless. Nice dude. I think regulations are the least of your worries. I'm more worried about you cutting your ear off.
 
but if you can't get any shares on winning trade no matter how hard you try to get in... from 82 % fill ratio all the way down to <20% now(keep in mind-losers are always filled in full)..i rest my case..good bye

If you are making money with a strategy and it does not work anymore ("because" of some new regulations or whatever), then trade with a different strategy, Bob. Don't just sit there and think about the "good old time".

Adapt or die, that's what trading is all about.
 
If you are making money with a strategy and it does not work anymore ("because" of some new regulations or whatever), then trade with a different strategy, Bob. Don't just sit there and think about the "good old time".

Adapt or die, that's what trading is all about.

Leaving the arena is also part of the adapting tool box, many NY traders have done so, so has many ET'ers.
 
Grandluxe : why not try forex and see for yourself if all the traders have left.
I assure you forex is large, and you won't have issues about liquidity and other type of shanaginism.
There you are playing with Central Banks, governments, and multi-nationales transacting exchanges.
Obviously, forex might show you where the real problem is...
 
If you are making money with a strategy and it does not work anymore ("because" of some new regulations or whatever), then trade with a different strategy, Bob. Don't just sit there and think about the "good old time".

Adapt or die, that's what trading is all about.

+1.

You should always have a backup as you need to be prepared when what you're doing stops working. When you have just one great idea, that means you're in trouble.
 
There is also record low market particpation!

As you can see, 9 of the top 10 most commonly held occupations pay an average wage of less than $35,000 a year…
  1. Retail salespersons, 4.48 million workers earning $25,370
  2. Cashiers 3.34 million workers earning $20,420
  3. Food prep and serving staff, 3.02 million workers earning$18,880
  4. General office clerk, 2.83 million working earning $29,990
  5. Registered nurses, 2.66 million workers earning $68,910
  6. Waiters and waitresses, 2.40 million workers earning$20,880
  7. Customer service representatives, 2.39 million workers earning $33,370
  8. Laborers, and freight and material movers, 2.28 million workers earning $26,690
  9. Secretaries and admins (not legal or medical), 2.16 million workers earning $34,000
  10. Janitors and cleaners (not maids), 2.10 million workers earning, $25,140
Overall, an astounding 59 percent of all American workers bring home less than $35,000 a year in wages.

So with these types of jobs people will not have the savings and capital necessary to invest or trade in securities or capital markets.

you are making assumptions, including that there is only 1 wage earner in the family.
 
i know,but again-note: as a required by exchange clause. what we have right now is "super regulated" market for us,the mortals(PDT,sub penny etc restrictions,including the "check" on file). and wild west for WS boys. one more time-i can't speak up for what was there 20 years ago-but in 2000 or so-it was (imo) very 'public friendly' market. remember? free internet,free quotes for everybody,news etc. everything is open and avaliable for a general public. how about now? ARCA-$10 per account just to see what's in there.(use to be free for all). i was unable to find a decent quotes service even for money(i'm talking about reasonable price for a retail guy). can we get a full NBBO? nope..then what's better? getting a quotes over the phone or trying to day trade half blind,cause you have to subscribe to all exchanges and pay them a separate fees? i'm not sure..

there is no need for arguing about ->Number of New York traders at all time low. anyone can get an idea about current state of trading in US markets and number of traders here.just ask Baron about number of visitors by year. i'm pretty sure it's all time low too.

if you can't trade with penny spreads you can't trade. if .005 commissions is too much for you show me you have enough talent and volume and i will get you .0005.

maybe you are nostalgic for the former soviet union where people were poor but there was such a thing as "real" friendship.

where do I send the $10 to pay your arca fee?
 
while I sit here and watch the emini stock index markets chop & drift in tiny ranges, I have a question for all.

Why in your opinions is volume and individual traders' participation at all-time historical lows right now, including the entire electronic markets era?

Why are so many traders done & gone now? Why didn't they wash out in 2007 - 2009?

Who here is making more money now than any time in the past, particularly more today than 2000 - 2002 or 2007 - 2008 eras?

Who here would encourage their own children or other family members who are brand newbies with zero market experience to begin trading right now, today?
 
if you can't trade with penny spreads you can't trade.

I think you are missing Bob111's point. The "penny spreads" are an illusion. He is trying to take those penny offers but they are being pulled before he can get filled if he is on the right side of the trade. However he gets complete fills when he is on the wrong side.
 
I think you are missing Bob111's point. The "penny spreads" are an illusion. He is trying to take those penny offers but they are being pulled before he can get filled if he is on the right side of the trade. However he gets complete fills when he is on the wrong side.

So the whole world knows that the right trade is to buy, but no one does so and when he decides to everyone pulls their offers?

And one penny higher, it's the wrong price to buy at.
 
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