Nuclear Power Balls

The unfortunate issue about solar and wind is the land footprint required due to the low density physics. You are going to have land use conflicts with farmers, ranchers, adjacent homeowners and wildlife.

A home with solar panels on the roof or a windmill is one thing - but building a power utility grade generation facility for distribution onto a grid has a footprint problem.
If every home or building had a solar array or two or ten dozen on them a lot less additional land footprint would be needed. Tall buildings of course would not have enough roof-space
to satisfy all their tenants energy needs.

So, like I said previously, of course other energy sources like nuke would be handy.

Meanwhile 100 or so years ago nobody said (because the country was way less developed then) hey oil refineries and gas stations and nuclear power plants and transmission line right-of-ways and gas pipeline right-of-ways are going to have a big footprint problem.

The snowball is rolling downhill. Snowball being renewable alternatives. More and more money is going that way. We, mostly the future We, will make it happen because it has to.
 
I agree with everything you’re saying.

Limiting future electricity generation sources strictly to wind and solar and simultaneously outlawing fossil fuels completely would be an environmental disaster.


If every home or building had a solar array or two or ten dozen on them a lot less additional land footprint would be needed. Tall buildings of course would not have enough roof-space
to satisfy all their tenants energy needs.

So, like I said previously, of course other energy sources like nuke would be handy.

Meanwhile 100 or so years ago nobody said (because the country was way less developed then) hey oil refineries and gas stations and nuclear power plants and transmission line right-of-ways and gas pipeline right-of-ways are going to have a big footprint problem.

The snowball is rolling downhill. Snowball being renewable alternatives. More and more money is going that way. We, mostly the future We, will make it happen because it has to.
 
Wind turbines and solar farms kill birds. Save a spotted owl, support your local rain forest. (Oh, and somehow sea turtles will also die.)

Eat moor chiken.
How do solar farms kill birds again (keeping in mind mirror based concentrated solar is dead). You know what kills birds? Cats and windows. Orders and orders of magnitude more than solar panels or even wind farms.
 
If were thinking about colonizing/terraforming other planets, that's the way to go. Delivering solar/wind batteries, would be cost inefficient.
(given already limited resources and some arguing against it, since we got ,,enough of problems in this planet''. Word...)

Diversification of humanity is a must.
Be it any real-deadly pandemic, A.I going nuts, we destroying ourselfs or something like this :


Funny inevitability tho - at some point in time, one of those colonies out there, would declare independence.

My kinda film.

I don't think the human race is really worth keeping going for ever.

Mar's / Asteroid belt, would never sustain life without supply runs from the Earth, everything else is too far away with new tech which is unlikely to be real.

Helium 3 mined from the moon is the best fuel source, enough to run the US for 100,000years, why the new interest in the moon.
 
There's been some real progress the past fifteen years on very advanced nuclear reactors that are very safe and very efficient. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is currently testing and reviewing new designs - to be quite specific: fuel safety under worse case scenarios. The article I've pasted below is a nice synopsis, but as a former Nuclear Engineer I wanted to add a few caveats; namely, 1. that there's no way on this green earth that the NRC is going to approve a design without a secondary containment system, and 2. when looking at fuel sources, the power density factor is the supreme equation. And Nuclear is way way way better than solar and wind. IMO a judicious mix of fuel sources is preferable. And finally, 3. high level nuclear fuel waste is a political issue - the science is sound and proven. If we truly want a serious reduction in greenhouse gases in the short term we must include nuclear power.

The net capacity factor is the unitless ratio of an actual electrical energy output over a given period of time to the maximum possible electrical energy output over that period.
In the US, the capacity factor for Nuclear Power is 93.5%. For Wind its 34.8% and for Solar its 24.5%. (source: USEIA for 2019) What does that mean? It means if a Nuclear Plant has a 1000 MW nameplate rating, it would take 3000 MW of Wind Turbines to provide the same amount of electricity to the power grid.

https://www.wired.com/story/nuclear-power-balls-triso-fuel/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Nuclear ‘Power Balls’ May Make Meltdowns a Thing of the Past
Triso particles are an alien-looking fuel with built-in safety features that will power a new generation of high-temperature reactors.

"Wired", June 30, 2020

The basic idea behind all nuclear power plants is the same: Convert the heat created by nuclear fission into electricity. There are several ways to do this, but in each case it involves a delicate balancing act between safety and efficiency. A nuclear reactor works best when the core is really hot, but if it gets too hot it will cause a meltdown and the environment will get poisoned and people may die and it will take billions of dollars to clean up the mess.

The last time this happened was less than a decade ago, when a massive earthquake followed by a series of tsunamis caused a meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Japan. But a new generation of reactors coming online in the next few years aims to make these kinds of disasters a thing of the past. Not only will these reactors be smaller and more efficient than current nuclear power plants, but their designers claim they’ll be virtually meltdown-proof. Their secret? Millions of submillimeter-size grains of uranium individually wrapped in protective shells. It’s called triso fuel, and it’s like a radioactive gobstopper.

Triso— short for “tristructural isotropic”—fuel is made from a mixture of low enriched uranium and oxygen, and it is surrounded by three alternating layers of graphite and a ceramic called silicon carbide. Each particle is smaller than a poppy seed, but its layered shell can protect the uranium inside from melting under even the most extreme conditions that could occur in a reactor.

Paul Demkowicz is the director of the Advanced Gas Reactor Field Development and Qualification Program at Idaho National Laboratory, and a large part of his job is simulating worst-case scenarios for next-generation nuclear reactors. For the past few years, Demkowicz and his colleagues have been running qualification tests on triso fuel that involve putting them in a reactor and cranking the temperature. Most nuclear reactors today operate well below 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and even the next generation high-temperature reactors will top out at about 2,000 degrees. But during the INL tests, Demkowicz demonstrated that triso could withstand reactor temperatures over 3,200 degrees Fahrenheit. Out of 300,000 particles, not a single triso coating failed during the two-week long test.

“In the new reactor designs, it’s basically impossible to exceed these temperatures, because the reactor kind of shuts down as it reaches these high temperatures,” says Demkowicz. “So if you take these reactor designs and combine them with a fuel that can handle the heat, you essentially have an accident-proof reactor.”

In a conventional nuclear reactor, the main line of defense against a meltdown is the fuel control rod, which power plant operators use to control the fission rate in the core. If things get too hot, they push more rods into the core so the fission rate—and temperature—goes down. Every operating nuclear reactor in the world is also ensconced in a massive containment structure designed to prevent radioactive material from escaping if something goes wrong.

But with triso fuel, these safety features are redundant, since each particle is effectively wrapped in a control rod. This opens the door for small reactor designs that wouldn’t have been possible before. “Now you don’t have to go build this large containment vessel that costs hundreds of millions of dollars for a reactor, because the fuel carries its own containment,” says Joel Duling, the president of the Nuclear Operations Group at BWXT, a company that makes triso fuel and nuclear reactors. “So you can have a reactor that fits in a cargo container and still has all the safety features of a traditional commercial reactor.”

Triso fuel has been around since the 1960s, but it was expensive to manufacture and didn’t have enough energy density to meet the needs of the giant light-water reactors found in most of the world’s nuclear power plants. Yet once the Department of Energy started throwing its support behind companies developing small high-temperature reactors in 2015 with the launch of the Gateway for Accelerated Innovation in Nuclear program, it looked like triso fuel’s time had come. There was just one problem: No one was producing it.

America’s nuclear fuel production capacity has been in freefall since the mid-1980s, spurred by declines in uranium price and demand. But in 2003, BWXT partnered with the Department of Energy to make triso fuel for testing and demonstrated that it could produce the fuel at scale should the demand arise. At the time, President George W. Bush was promoting an imminent “nuclear renaissance” in the United States, but the announcement turned out to be premature. The renaissance didn’t start to materialize for another 15 years, after hundreds of millions in federal funding was injected into a wave of nuclear startups. And it wasn’t until last October that BWXT announced that it was restarting its triso production line to supply fuel to the next generation of high-temperature nuclear reactors that will come online in the next few years.

“We see a large demand from a wave of new reactors in the not-too-distant future,” says Duling. “By the late ’20s and early ’30s, triso will take over as the dominant fuel type.”

BWXT is one of just two companies in the US developing triso fuel for commercial production, and it is also supplying it to the US government for use in its experimental 3D-printed nuclear reactor. The other company, Maryland-based X-energy, is a relative newcomer to the nuclear energy business but has been operating a pilot triso production facility at Oak Ridge National Lab since early last year.

Turning raw uranium into triso is a multistep process that begins by treating the uranium—either ore mined from the Earth or down-blended from weapons-grade material—with chemicals to turn it into gel-like beads. These beads, each only a millimeter in diameter and the consistency of a jelly bean, are then put in a furnace that is injected with gases that break down in the oven, depositing thin layers of graphite and silicon carbide around the uranium kernel. The result is a lot of indestructible triso fuel particles that are pressed by the tens of thousands into cylindrical or spherical fuel pellets.

The pellets made by BWXT take a more conventional shape—a small cylinder the size of a bullet—but X-energy is putting its triso fuels into a shiny silver orb the size of a billiard ball. Clay Sell, X-energy’s CEO and a former US deputy secretary of energy, likes to call them “power balls,” and says they’ll be used to fuel the company’s new reactor, the Xe-100.

The Xe-100 is a small pebble-bed reactor that is designed to produce just 75 megawatts of power. (For the sake of comparison, the smallest operating nuclear reactor in the US today produces around 600 megawatts.) Pete Pappano, X-energy’s vice president of fuel production, likens it to a gumball machine. “The power ball goes down through the core, comes out the bottom, and then goes back to the top,” Pappano says. It takes the triso ball about half a year to complete the cycle through the reactor’s guts. It can pass through the core six times before it needs to be replaced.

There are other benefits too. Rather than needing to have miles of open space around a reactor, future plants running on triso fuel could be situated close to their users, Sell says. “It is physically impossible—as in, against the laws of physics—for triso to melt in a reactor,” says Sell. “And when you start with a reactor that can’t melt, your safety case completely changes.” This is part of the reason why the Department of Defense inked a deal with both X-energy and BWXT this year to develop a small mobile nuclear reactor for remote military bases and why NASA is considering triso fuel for nuclear powered spacecraft.

Like every other commercial advanced nuclear reactor, the Xe-100 is currently under review by the Nuclear Regulatory Council. It’s a lengthy and arduous process, but if the regulators give it their stamp of approval, Pappano says X-energy is prepared to do a full scale demonstration of the reactor before the end of the decade. In the meantime, both X-energy and BWXT are focusing on expanding their triso production facilities so that when the next generation of nuclear reactors arrive, they’ll have the fuel they need to make meltdowns history.
What's the levelized per MHW cost of those technologies even if they achieve their wildest dreams? Less than $13.50/MWH? Because that's the latest unsubsidized solar tender result. Less than $36/MWH, because that's the latest solar plus storage tender result. And those are mature technology being built now with none of the safety and a fraction of the waste issues. I'm genuinely curious on that. I once believed we needed to keep nuclear around, but then I also thought thin film solar was a great thing until it's promised $4/watt price was made irrelevant by $.50/watt plain old silicon panels that were available by the time all the promised thin film guys made good on their $4/watt promises. By the time we get this nuclear technology to the point it can be put into widespread production, renewables plus storage will have made it irrelevant because it will be significantly less expensive. Unless they're honestly looking at sub-$10/MWH? And they can ramp up and down?

As you know it annoys the heck out of me when renewables compare MW to nuclear as an apples to apples comparison. But MWH is fair game, and I'm guessing even this nuclear comes out way more expensive on a per MWH basis even before you take into account disposal costs and all the implicit subsidies of DOE, NRC, and the rest of the infrastructure necessary to make them safe. There's no shortage of roofs, brown space, and other minimally invasive areas to put solar and wind, so energy density is a bit of a red herring unless you flush out why it matters.
 
What is this magical solar generation and storage technology you speak of that allows for $13.50/WWH in the Midwest and Northeast US ?

What's the levelized per MHW cost of those technologies even if they achieve their wildest dreams? Less than $13.50/MWH? Because that's the latest unsubsidized solar tender result. Less than $36/MWH, because that's the latest solar plus storage tender result. And those are mature technology being built now with none of the safety and a fraction of the waste issues. I'm genuinely curious on that. I once believed we needed to keep nuclear around, but then I also thought thin film solar was a great thing until it's promised $4/watt price was made irrelevant by $.50/watt plain old silicon panels that were available by the time all the promised thin film guys made good on their $4/watt promises. By the time we get this nuclear technology to the point it can be put into widespread production, renewables plus storage will have made it irrelevant because it will be significantly less expensive. Unless they're honestly looking at sub-$10/MWH? And they can ramp up and down?

As you know it annoys the heck out of me when renewables compare MW to nuclear as an apples to apples comparison. But MWH is fair game, and I'm guessing even this nuclear comes out way more expensive on a per MWH basis even before you take into account disposal costs and all the implicit subsidies of DOE, NRC, and the rest of the infrastructure necessary to make them safe. There's no shortage of roofs, brown space, and other minimally invasive areas to put solar and wind, so energy density is a bit of a red herring unless you flush out why it matters.
 
What is this magical solar generation and storage technology you speak of that allows for $13.50/WWH in the Midwest and Northeast US ?
I quoted $13.50 for pure solar, $36 for solar plus storage from Xcel in CO (https://www.greentechmedia.com/arti...solar-plus-storage-price-in-xcel-solicitation). The storage costs the same anywhere, and the difference in MWH/MW of installed solar between Boulder CO and Trenton NJ, for example, is less than 10% (you can play with the numbers at https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/pvwatts.php). The question remains, what is the levelized cost of the latest greatest nuclear technology even if it meets the wildest dreams of it's inventors? If it's more than $36, or if you want to go worst case with the NE and say somewhere in the $40 range, then it's really dead in the water and from a purely financial perspective there's no reason to waste more money on it. Again that's before we talk about the massive cost overruns that virtually anything associate with nuclear has historically seen (V.C. Summer anyone?) and the hidden costs of waste storage and the agencies that support nuclear. And it's before we take a look at both the solar and storage cost curves and realize we're talking about something that has dropped in price by 20% or more every year for a decade and the $36 price is a real, mature product being planted in the ground now. How much cheaper will it be when this nuclear tech is ready for full scale production? The solar industry learned this the hard way with all the venture backed material science companies in the 2007-9 timeframe that just got bypassed by that relentless cost curve. Solar may slow down in the price decreases but storage is just starting down that same curve.

If they have realistic sub-$30 levelized costs and reasonable expectations of a cost curve reduction I'd be all for it. I just not only haven't seen that, I haven't seen any pro-formas at all showing levelized cost. I'm not anti-nuclear at all, I still think we should be sinking pure research dollars into controlled fusion for example. I just think fission reactors are a dinosaur that's not worth pursuing purely on a cost basis. Funny, I seem to remember the nuclear and fossil fuel industry used to use that line, right up until they were no longer the lowest cost.....
 
I quoted $13.50 for pure solar, $36 for solar plus storage from Xcel in CO...

Mmm, "storage". Why does electricity from the photovoltaics have to be stored, but nuclear not?

Just feed the solar power into the grid, and when there's no sun, there's no power to store.
 
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