That's certainly true about one of us.
Nuclear Fail by Obama - Russian bombers in CA
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That's certainly true about one of us.
I thought this was interesting...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...lock-russian-spy-plane-in-american-skies.html
Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies
Russian surveillance planes already fly over America, thanks to a long-standing treaty. But a new, ultra-sophisticated spy plane has U.S. military and intelligence bosses spooked.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies have quietly pushed the White House in recent weeks to deny a new Russian surveillance plane the right to fly over U.S. territory. This week, the White House finally began consideration of the decision whether to certify the new Russian aircraft under the so-called âOpen Skies Treaty.â And now the question becomes: Will the spies and generals get their way?
As the United States and Russia face off publicly over Ukraine, behind the scenes, President Obamaâs national security cabinet is having its own quiet feud over a long-standing agreement to allow Russian surveillance flights over U.S. airspace.
The spies and the generals want to deny the Russians the overflight rights for its latest surveillance planes. The State Department, which ultimately makes that decision, has favored such certification. On Wednesday an interagency meeting of senior officials failed to reach consensus, delaying the decision until Obama takes it up with the National Security Council, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute.
At issue is the Open Skies Treaty. First signed in 1992 and finally ratified in 2002, the treaty adopted by 34 nations allows the safe passage of planes equipped with advanced cameras and sensors that give governments the imagery and data they use to assess everything from compliance with arms control treaties to troop movements.
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there is more... at the link...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...lock-russian-spy-plane-in-american-skies.html
Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies
Russian surveillance planes already fly over America, thanks to a long-standing treaty. But a new, ultra-sophisticated spy plane has U.S. military and intelligence bosses spooked.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies have quietly pushed the White House in recent weeks to deny a new Russian surveillance plane the right to fly over U.S. territory. This week, the White House finally began consideration of the decision whether to certify the new Russian aircraft under the so-called âOpen Skies Treaty.â And now the question becomes: Will the spies and generals get their way?
As the United States and Russia face off publicly over Ukraine, behind the scenes, President Obamaâs national security cabinet is having its own quiet feud over a long-standing agreement to allow Russian surveillance flights over U.S. airspace.
The spies and the generals want to deny the Russians the overflight rights for its latest surveillance planes. The State Department, which ultimately makes that decision, has favored such certification. On Wednesday an interagency meeting of senior officials failed to reach consensus, delaying the decision until Obama takes it up with the National Security Council, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute.
At issue is the Open Skies Treaty. First signed in 1992 and finally ratified in 2002, the treaty adopted by 34 nations allows the safe passage of planes equipped with advanced cameras and sensors that give governments the imagery and data they use to assess everything from compliance with arms control treaties to troop movements.
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there is more... at the link...
and this...
I did not know this was going on. They apparent are tuning up their targeting among other things.
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wo...ntercepted-over-west-coast-on-fourth-of-july/
Russian Nuclear Bombers Intercepted Over West Coast on Fourth of July
By Gary P Jackson
It is being reported that two Russian Bear bombers were intercepted while flying near the west coast of the United States on the 4th of July, an obvious taunt from the Russians on our nationâs most important day.
This is the second incident in the past two weeks, where Russian nuclear capable bombers have entered, or come near U.S. air space.
This is nothing new, as the Russians are known to violate American air space often. On Sarah Palinâs watch, as Governor of Alaska, and Commander-in-Chief, the Alaska Air National Guardâs 176th Wing routinely escorted the Russians out of Alaskan air space. In fact, the 176th received the Air Forceâs Outstanding Unit Award for its service to the nation . Part of the citation noted:
The 176th Air Control Squadron maintained North American air sovereignty by detecting, monitoring and escorting 22 Russian bombers from within its area of operations.
While itâs troubling that Russian nuclear bombers were routinely violating Alaskan air space, one has to realize how close Alaska and Russia are. The west coast of the United States is another matter altogether.
How were these nuclear capable bombers allowed to get so close to the continental United States?
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Putinâs July 4th Message
Russian nuclear-capable bombers intercepted near West Coast in second U.S. air defense zone intrusion in two weeks
Two Russian strategic nuclear bombers entered the U.S. air defense zone near the Pacific coast on Wednesday and were met by U.S. interceptor jets, defense officials told the Free Beacon.
It was the second time Moscow dispatched nuclear-capable bombers into the 200-mile zone surrounding U.S. territory in the past two weeks.
An earlier intrusion by two Tu-95 Bear H bombers took place near Alaska as part of arctic war games that a Russian military spokesman said included simulated attacks on âenemyâ air defenses and strategic facilities.
A defense official said the Pacific coast intrusion came close to the U.S. coast but did not enter the 12-mile area that the U.S. military considers sovereign airspace.
The bomber flights near the Pacific and earlier flights near Alaska appear to be signs Moscow is practicing the targeting of its long-range air-launched cruise missiles on two strategic missile defense sites, one at Fort Greely, Alaska and a second site at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.
In May, Russian Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, said during a Moscow conference that because missile defense systems are destabilizing, âA decision on pre-emptive use of the attack weapons available will be made when the situation worsens.â The comments highlighted Russian opposition to planned deployments of U.S. missile defense interceptors and sensors in Europe.
The U.S. defense official called the latest Bear H incident near the U.S. West Coast âPutinâs Fourth of July Bear greeting to Obama.â
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, a former Alaska commander for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said the latest Bear H intrusion appears to be Russian military testing.
âItâs becoming very obvious that Putin is testing Obama and his national security team,â McInerney told the Free Beacon. âThese long-range aviation excursions are duplicating exercises I experienced during the height of the Cold War when I command the Alaska NORAD region.
McInerney said the Bear H flights are an effort by the Russians to challenge U.S. resolve, something he noted is âsomewhat surprising as Obama is about to make a unilateral reduction of our nuclear forces as well as major reductions in our air defense forces.â
âActions by Russia in Syria and Iran demonstrate that Cold War strategy may be resurrected,â he said.
âThese are not good indications of future U.S. Russian relations.â
Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby said the incident occurred July 4. He said the âout-of-area patrol by two Russian long range bombers ⦠entered the outer [Air Defense Identification Zone]â and the bombers âwere visually identified by NORAD fighters.â
Kirby said the bombers did not enter âsovereign airspace.â He declined to identify the specific distance the aircraft flew from the United States due to operational security concerns. He also declined to identify the types of aircraft used to intercept the bombers.
In last monthâs intercept of two Russian Tu-95 bombers, U.S. F-15s and Canadian CF-18s were used. The most likely aircraft used in Wednesdayâs intercept were U.S. F-15 jets based at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska.
Kirby and U.S. Northern Command spokesmen, apparently in line with the Obama administrationâs conciliatory reset policy toward Russia, sought to play down both bomber intrusions.
The Pentagon spokesman said the latest Pacific intrusion was âassessed as another training activity.â
Rather than using traditional military terminology common during the Cold War to describe the meeting of the violating bombers as an âintercept,â Kirby said that the bombers were âvisually identifiedâ by jets described only as joint U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) jets.
âNORAD is postured to ensure air warning and control for the continental United States, Canada, and Alaska,â Kirby said. âNORAD maintains an extensive radar system around North America and has aircraft located throughout the United States and Canada that can respond quickly to any unidentified flights approaching the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ).â
Kirby said the ADIZ is extends about 200 miles from the coast and is âmainly within international airspace.â
âThe outer limits of the ADIZ goes well beyond U.S. sovereign air space which only extends 12 nautical miles from land,â he said. âAs part of its mission, NORAD tracks and identifies all aircraft flying in the ADIZ in advance of any aircraft entering sovereign airspace.â
I did not know this was going on. They apparent are tuning up their targeting among other things.
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wo...ntercepted-over-west-coast-on-fourth-of-july/
Russian Nuclear Bombers Intercepted Over West Coast on Fourth of July
By Gary P Jackson
It is being reported that two Russian Bear bombers were intercepted while flying near the west coast of the United States on the 4th of July, an obvious taunt from the Russians on our nationâs most important day.
This is the second incident in the past two weeks, where Russian nuclear capable bombers have entered, or come near U.S. air space.
This is nothing new, as the Russians are known to violate American air space often. On Sarah Palinâs watch, as Governor of Alaska, and Commander-in-Chief, the Alaska Air National Guardâs 176th Wing routinely escorted the Russians out of Alaskan air space. In fact, the 176th received the Air Forceâs Outstanding Unit Award for its service to the nation . Part of the citation noted:
The 176th Air Control Squadron maintained North American air sovereignty by detecting, monitoring and escorting 22 Russian bombers from within its area of operations.
While itâs troubling that Russian nuclear bombers were routinely violating Alaskan air space, one has to realize how close Alaska and Russia are. The west coast of the United States is another matter altogether.
How were these nuclear capable bombers allowed to get so close to the continental United States?
---
Putinâs July 4th Message
Russian nuclear-capable bombers intercepted near West Coast in second U.S. air defense zone intrusion in two weeks
Two Russian strategic nuclear bombers entered the U.S. air defense zone near the Pacific coast on Wednesday and were met by U.S. interceptor jets, defense officials told the Free Beacon.
It was the second time Moscow dispatched nuclear-capable bombers into the 200-mile zone surrounding U.S. territory in the past two weeks.
An earlier intrusion by two Tu-95 Bear H bombers took place near Alaska as part of arctic war games that a Russian military spokesman said included simulated attacks on âenemyâ air defenses and strategic facilities.
A defense official said the Pacific coast intrusion came close to the U.S. coast but did not enter the 12-mile area that the U.S. military considers sovereign airspace.
The bomber flights near the Pacific and earlier flights near Alaska appear to be signs Moscow is practicing the targeting of its long-range air-launched cruise missiles on two strategic missile defense sites, one at Fort Greely, Alaska and a second site at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.
In May, Russian Gen. Nikolai Makarov, the chief of the Russian General Staff, said during a Moscow conference that because missile defense systems are destabilizing, âA decision on pre-emptive use of the attack weapons available will be made when the situation worsens.â The comments highlighted Russian opposition to planned deployments of U.S. missile defense interceptors and sensors in Europe.
The U.S. defense official called the latest Bear H incident near the U.S. West Coast âPutinâs Fourth of July Bear greeting to Obama.â
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, a former Alaska commander for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said the latest Bear H intrusion appears to be Russian military testing.
âItâs becoming very obvious that Putin is testing Obama and his national security team,â McInerney told the Free Beacon. âThese long-range aviation excursions are duplicating exercises I experienced during the height of the Cold War when I command the Alaska NORAD region.
McInerney said the Bear H flights are an effort by the Russians to challenge U.S. resolve, something he noted is âsomewhat surprising as Obama is about to make a unilateral reduction of our nuclear forces as well as major reductions in our air defense forces.â
âActions by Russia in Syria and Iran demonstrate that Cold War strategy may be resurrected,â he said.
âThese are not good indications of future U.S. Russian relations.â
Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby said the incident occurred July 4. He said the âout-of-area patrol by two Russian long range bombers ⦠entered the outer [Air Defense Identification Zone]â and the bombers âwere visually identified by NORAD fighters.â
Kirby said the bombers did not enter âsovereign airspace.â He declined to identify the specific distance the aircraft flew from the United States due to operational security concerns. He also declined to identify the types of aircraft used to intercept the bombers.
In last monthâs intercept of two Russian Tu-95 bombers, U.S. F-15s and Canadian CF-18s were used. The most likely aircraft used in Wednesdayâs intercept were U.S. F-15 jets based at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska.
Kirby and U.S. Northern Command spokesmen, apparently in line with the Obama administrationâs conciliatory reset policy toward Russia, sought to play down both bomber intrusions.
The Pentagon spokesman said the latest Pacific intrusion was âassessed as another training activity.â
Rather than using traditional military terminology common during the Cold War to describe the meeting of the violating bombers as an âintercept,â Kirby said that the bombers were âvisually identifiedâ by jets described only as joint U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) jets.
âNORAD is postured to ensure air warning and control for the continental United States, Canada, and Alaska,â Kirby said. âNORAD maintains an extensive radar system around North America and has aircraft located throughout the United States and Canada that can respond quickly to any unidentified flights approaching the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ).â
Kirby said the ADIZ is extends about 200 miles from the coast and is âmainly within international airspace.â
âThe outer limits of the ADIZ goes well beyond U.S. sovereign air space which only extends 12 nautical miles from land,â he said. âAs part of its mission, NORAD tracks and identifies all aircraft flying in the ADIZ in advance of any aircraft entering sovereign airspace.â
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Itâs very troubling to see the Obama regime downplaying these overflights by nuclear capable bombers. Itâs highly unlikely these aircraft actually had nuclear weapons aboard, but itâs obvious that Russia is testing President Obamaâs resolve to protect the nation from her enemies. And make no mistake, Russia is our enemy.
As noted, these bombers may have been testing their ability to launch cruise missiles and take out our early warning systems as well as our defense capabilities.
It would seem Obama doesnât much care about protecting the homeland from what could have just as well have been a full scale nuclear attack, or an attack on our defenses in preparation for such an attack.
The Russians, on the other hand, would have never been so tolerant of such activities. Remember, in September of 1983 the Soviets shot down a civilian passenger jet, Korean Airlines flight number 007, killing all 289 passengers and crew. The plane was simply off course, and clearly identifiable as a commercial airliner, and yet, it was blown out of the sky.
Iâm not saying our Air Force should be blowing Russian nuclear bombers out of the sky [unless they fail to comply with orders to leave U.S. airspace] but allowing them to get in sight of our west coast is completely unacceptable.
The entire response by the Obama regime is unacceptable.
If youâre still looking for a reason to vote for Mitt Romney, in order defeat Barack Obama, this might be your answer. We simply cannot have nuclear capable bombers overflying our nation. And itâs obvious that Barack Obama doesnât care.
We need new leadership in this country.
Read more here.
Itâs very troubling to see the Obama regime downplaying these overflights by nuclear capable bombers. Itâs highly unlikely these aircraft actually had nuclear weapons aboard, but itâs obvious that Russia is testing President Obamaâs resolve to protect the nation from her enemies. And make no mistake, Russia is our enemy.
As noted, these bombers may have been testing their ability to launch cruise missiles and take out our early warning systems as well as our defense capabilities.
It would seem Obama doesnât much care about protecting the homeland from what could have just as well have been a full scale nuclear attack, or an attack on our defenses in preparation for such an attack.
The Russians, on the other hand, would have never been so tolerant of such activities. Remember, in September of 1983 the Soviets shot down a civilian passenger jet, Korean Airlines flight number 007, killing all 289 passengers and crew. The plane was simply off course, and clearly identifiable as a commercial airliner, and yet, it was blown out of the sky.
Iâm not saying our Air Force should be blowing Russian nuclear bombers out of the sky [unless they fail to comply with orders to leave U.S. airspace] but allowing them to get in sight of our west coast is completely unacceptable.
The entire response by the Obama regime is unacceptable.
If youâre still looking for a reason to vote for Mitt Romney, in order defeat Barack Obama, this might be your answer. We simply cannot have nuclear capable bombers overflying our nation. And itâs obvious that Barack Obama doesnât care.
We need new leadership in this country.
In this particular case, I believe it is more rational to appear naive than to succumb to groundless paranoia. And, obviously, I don't know with any certainty either and I am happy to acknowledge this.
It's more rational to keep your ignorant mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about, instead of making groundless statements about what's going on over here when you in fact have no clue.
It's also more rational to not make yet another groundless statement about "groundless paranoia" when I've not made any that would qualify as either. But maybe you don't realize that because you're so far out of your depth.
"The Russian planes in question do not violate US airspace." sure sounds like it.
I think the commentary regarding "groundless paranoia" were referring to Jem, not yourself.
"Still what has happened to Obama in Ukraine (and his other conflict zones) is no different from what happened to previous Republican presidents facing similar crises in the past. For example, during the 1956 Hungarian revolution, following the Soviet intervention, President Eisenhower refrained from dispatching any US or NATO forces to thwart the Russian takeover because he realized such a move might lead to a nuclear war. Ronald Reagan, in his turn, in 1982 withdrew US soldiers from Lebanon after a terrorist bombing that killed 241 Americans rather than pursue a broader battle against an opaque and elusive band of Islamic militants. George H. W. Bush, for his part, held back from trumpeting America's triumph over Russia in 1989 after the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet empire dissolved for fear that he might provoke a Russian retaliation. Finally, George W. Bush, took no action against Moscow when it seized territories of Georgia in 2008 out of his concern that, in doing so, he might start a third world war. Were all of these Republican leaders evincing cowardice -- or simply displaying realism?"
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that is a ridiculous rewrite of history.
The Soviet Union fell apart because the Russian generals who had some control of the country realized that had to give in to Gorbachev's ideas because they knew their economy was on the brink of collapse and they could not keep up with Reagans' Star Wars programs and increases in other military spending.
Bush Sr. made some choices, some good, so not so good, but he was not the type of guy who trumpeted success. Obama and his team would doing movies and infomercials and pre roll on youtube trumpting his success.
And sadly, the gravamen of this situations is that Obama's policies have been failing in every part of the world so its hard to say anything is not his fault... its axiomatic, weakness is exploited by bad actors.
The Soviet Union fell apart because the Russian generals who had some control of the country realized that had to give in to Gorbachev's ideas because they knew their economy was on the brink of collapse and they could not keep up with Reagans' Star Wars programs and increases in other military spending.
Bush Sr. made some choices, some good, so not so good, but he was not the type of guy who trumpeted success. Obama and his team would doing movies and infomercials and pre roll on youtube trumpting his success.
And sadly, the gravamen of this situations is that Obama's policies have been failing in every part of the world so its hard to say anything is not his fault... its axiomatic, weakness is exploited by bad actors.