Now is the winter of Britain's healthcare discontent

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newwurldmn said:
I run 4 manufacturing companies. The name of the game is throughput and capacity. I was merely pointing out that the ability for you to see a doctor quickly means there is capacity for that. That costs money and that's one of the reasons US healthcare is more expensive than other places. I personally think that capacity is a good thing and there are hybrid socialized and private solutions that can work.

But then you bring up "Pakistani" in an implied derogatory way that does nothing to further your point. It weakens your entire reasonable argument. and then your brethren wonder why they are branded as racists. And btw there are many Indian and Pakistani doctors in the US. Does that aspect of the free market system upset you?
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More along the lines of opportunity cost for employees/companies. If it wasn't profitable, it wouldn't exist for long.
As a manufacturing firm, you've got opportunity cost in producing for unprofitable distributors. You'd cut them off after a while, or at least limit your product availability, no?

Doctors are also a product, and they wouldn't exist if it wasn't profitable to have them around(barring state and federal institutions). My issue with this is, doctors are treated very differently in other countries and not only do they get lower pay but in some odd countries it's more important to be a soldier than a doctor.
What a strange world we live in.
 
We evidently have a severe shortage of doctors, so much so that we bring them in from foreign countries even with all the risk if substandard education, etc that entails.

Why wouldn't we subsidize more medical schools? Seems like a very obvious thing to do. I bet half the kids who go to law school could easily handle med school as an alternative. At least then they might do something productive with their lives.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
We evidently have a severe shortage of doctors, so much so that we bring them in from foreign countries even with all the risk if substandard education, etc that entails.

Why wouldn't we subsidize more medical schools? Seems like a very obvious thing to do. I bet half the kids who go to law school could easily handle med school as an alternative. At least then they might do something productive with their lives.
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We are headed toward single payer in this country. Doctors will continue to complain that obamacare, medicaid, and medicare rates are too low to make their practice/dreams work. The government will say: okay, we will train doctors to work just in the medicaid, medicare fields and also give them tremendous school debt write down. Then voila! You is there.

The problem in this country with just training more doctors, is that doctors want to become specialists and gravitate away from treating the hoi polloi as part of a daily grind. You get a better return on training more nurse practioners if you want a lower cost means of increasing frontline care.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
You get a better return on training more nurse practioners if you want a lower cost means of increasing frontline care.
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I'm not sure what kind of training NP's get. Or if there is a shortage. I'm ok with the new doc's becoming specialists because that is generally where medicare is spending the big bucks anyway. In many cities, it is tough to get in to see a specialist. We know the AMA will try its best to block any expansion of medical schools. No different from school teacher unions on charter schools or asking military brass about Erik Prince's plan to privatize Afghanistan.

A side benefit of my plan would be the diversion of smart people from socially damaging work as lawyers to medicine.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
We evidently have a severe shortage of doctors, so much so that we bring them in from foreign countries even with all the risk if substandard education, etc that entails.

Why wouldn't we subsidize more medical schools? Seems like a very obvious thing to do. I bet half the kids who go to law school could easily handle med school as an alternative. At least then they might do something productive with their lives.
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You are implying that Americans are better candidates and this is often not the case. Many Americans have "substandard" education and the inherent risks. Corporations and hospitals recruit outside of the US because talent and skills know no borders. Some of you may think you can tell corporations to only hire Americans but that puts them at a competitive disadvantage and will encourage them to farm out parts of their operations outside of the country or even move entirely. You seem to think you can entice American kids to choose careers that match your idea of what the country needs. Again, not how the world works.
 
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