Now Even Swedes Are Questioning the Welfare State

That is a problem, they say money is not the issue, they can't get enough skilled medical staff to live in the location. Of course the hospital is open even though the maternity ward is closed.. high risk women would be identified and moved well in advance. I think they rank fairly highly.

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Probably best not to have a baby in the US though Poindexter. Of course this is all Obama's fault.

U.S. Ranks Worst Developed Country for Maternal Health

http://time.com/3847755/mothers-children-health-save-the-children-report/

A woman in the United States faces a one in 1,800 risk of maternal death, according to an annual report by the charity Save the Children, the worst of any developed country in the world. What’s more, they’re more than 10 times as likely to die from a cause related to pregnancy as those in Belarus, Poland and Austria.
That's a racist chart. All the countries on the left are white and all the ones on the right are black.
 
What is your definition of conservatism versus it's alternative, liberalism.

Who knows. Trump supporters, all I see is a bunch of self-absorbed old men who alternate conversation between bargains they have found and things they think are too expensive. This goes from cleaners to escorts to medical consultants.

Colombia and Panama are flooded with American men with no vision beyond turning a dollar or saving one on the pension.

Think about this, where do conservatives go for a more ideal version of US conservatism?
 
That's a racist chart. All the countries on the left are white and all the ones on the right are black.

Ok clearly you are in gibberish mode.

Don't like the challenge of identifying any country that is more perfectly US conservative vision as you are stuck there, trying to distract from being unable to answer?
 
Which of those superior countries are you moving to. Oh wait. Let me guess. You already own land in many of them.

Fucking blowhard.

Poindexter nailed your fake, paper trading ass.

Meltdown Arnie? Poiny had one yesterday also.

You can't think of a good place that is what liberals call their "Canada?"?

One place that your US "conservative" values seem better expressed?
 
Who knows. Trump supporters, all I see is a bunch of self-absorbed old men who alternate conversation between bargains they have found and things they think are too expensive. This goes from cleaners to escorts to medical consultants.

Colombia and Panama are flooded with American men with no vision beyond turning a dollar or saving one on the pension.

Think about this, where do conservatives go for a more ideal version of US conservatism?

The question can't be answered until we find out how you are using the term consevatism compared to its alternative, liberalism, as those apply to governance.
 
I don't think you understand 'bigoted' Good1.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/

une 18, 2013
Trump tweets:

Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 19, 2013
Sept. 13, 2013
Trump praises Putin for his criticism of the term “American exceptionalism:”

“You think of the term as being fine, but all of sudden you say, what if you’re in Germany or Japan or any one of 100 different countries? You’re not going to like that term,” Trump told CNN. “It’s very insulting and Putin really put it to him (Obama) about that.”

Sept. 16, 2013
Trump notes he’s invited Putin to Miss Universe:

“So we’ve invited President Putin, that’ll be interesting,” Trump said on “Fox and Friends.” “I know he’d like to go.”

Oct. 3, 2013
Trump tells Larry King on Ora TV that Putin has done “a really great job outsmarting our country.”

Oct. 17, 2013
Trump tells David Letterman that he’s done “a lot of business with the Russians” and says they are “smart” and “tough” and that they don’t look “so dumb right now.” He calls Putin a “tough guy” and says that he “met him once.”

Oct. 18, 2013
Trump says on MSNBC that he invited Putin to Miss Universe:

“I know for a fact that he wants very much to come, but we'll have to see. We haven't heard yet, but we have invited him,” Trump said.

November 2013
Trump says he has a relationship with Vladimir Putin:

“I do have a relationship and I can tell you that he’s very interested in what we’re doing here today,” he said on MSNBC of the Miss Universe pageant. “He’s probably very interested in what you and I are saying today, and I’m sure he’s going to be seeing it in some form, but I do have a relationship with him and I think it’s very interesting to see what’s happened.”

Nov. 11, 2013
Trump on "Fox and Friends" says of his trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant:

“I was in Moscow and I was in Russia and they treated me so fantastically. I met so many incredible people.”

Feb. 10, 2014
Trump says Putin contacted him during Miss Universe and was “so nice:”

“When I went to Russia with the Miss Universe pageant, (Putin) contacted me and was so nice. I mean, the Russian people were so fantastic to us,” he said on “Fox and Friends.” “I’ll just say this, they are doing – they’re outsmarting us at many turns, as we all understand. I mean, their leaders are, whether you call them smarter or more cunning or whatever, but they’re outsmarting us. If you look at Syria or other places, they’re outsmarting us.”

March 3, 2014
Amid Russian aggression in Ukraine, Trump tells "Fox and Friends" that Mitt Romney was right about Russia being a “geopolitical foe.”

"Well Mitt Romney was so right, and nobody knew how right he was going to be, and you look at Obama's response and just take a look at what's going on," said Trump. "Syria was propped up by Russia. Syria's now back in their fold 100% and that whole deal is coming to an end because Russia's taken over."

Trump added, “There are a lot of things we could be doing economically to Russia. Russia is not strong economically and we could do a lot of different things to really do numbers on them if we wanted to.”

March 6, 2014
Trump tells a crowd at CPAC that Putin sent him a present during Miss Universe with a note and he “spoke to all of his people.”

And backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards...

If you put this much effort into the question at hand (how you are using terms conservatism/liberalism) we might be able to make progress, maybe even progress toward peace.

Meanwhile, your view of Putin and the situation on the ground in Syria, remains narrow minded, and bigoted the more you insist on justifying it with quotes from Trump, whose tweets, and quips continue to sound like Shakespeare compared to your political palp.
 
The question can't be answered until we find out how you are using the term consevatism compared to its alternative, liberalism, as those apply to governance.

I can't. There is no US conservative ideal besides some common personality traits I have seen.

For "libs" I can rattle off any number of successful capitalist socialist countries. There are places that are not one or the other.. I can't think of one that is capitalist..whatever the US conservative ideal is now.

I could roughly identify what US conservatism was until the mid 80s. The left and right were overlapping a great deal on social issues, fiscal differences were more clear however there was a lot of across-isle voting. However the Dems had control for a long time and some guys like Newt decided they needed power so brought in party ideals that were not natural bedfellows with conservatism before this, evangelicals, abortion etc.

After that it just seemed the conflicting internal forces mutated US conservatism into something unrecognizable, a monster entity. I am reminded of the happy pet dog in the movie "The Fly 2" who had a bad teleport experiment ride.

 
I can't. There is no US conservative ideal besides some common personality traits I have seen.

For "libs" I can rattle off any number of successful capitalist socialist countries. There are places that are not one or the other.. I can't think of one that is capitalist..whatever the US conservative ideal is now.

I could roughly identify what US conservatism was until the mid 80s. The left and right were overlapping a great deal on social issues, fiscal differences were more clear however there was a lot of across-isle voting. However the Dems had control for a long time and some guys like Newt decided they needed power so brought in party ideals that were not natural bedfellows with conservatism before this, evangelicals, abortion etc.

After that it just seemed the conflicting internal forces mutated US conservatism into something unrecognizable, a monster entity. I am reminded of the happy pet dog in the movie "The Fly 2" who had a bad teleport experiment ride.


I can see why you can't. You can't break away from bigoted stereotypes...people that you apply labels to.

But I'm not talking about people (as small minds are wont to do). I'm talking about principles (as larger minds are wont to do).

To avoid the confusion of conflating terms we must first isolate each term used in your term salads, and compare it to its opposite.

What is the opposite of social? Anti-social!

What is the opposite of save? Spend!

What is the antonym of conserve? Spend!

What are the two ways to spend? We can spend conservatively, or liberally.

What is the antonym of capital? Debt!

Capitalism: operating from a position of savings. (Strong position)

Debt: operating in/on a deficit. (Weak position).

The difference between capitalism and debt, to a trader, is the difference between operating on leverage (debt), or no leverage. Which is riskier?

I have not talked about people!

We need to get on the same page about terms first, before we can even wonder what principles people subscribe to, or why.

The reason you can't find a good country that is not socialistic is because there are no countries (what I call 'nations') that are not socialistic. It's the status quo! ( I keep saying that).

We do see anti-social behavior between nations from time to time. It's called "war".

And there is civil war to the extent that there is anti-social behavior within a nation.

A nation is social to the extent it's internal civil wars (politics) are not obvious, meaning, not shooting (hot) wars.

Regardless of how much bickering, how more or less social is the in-fighting, every nation has a pot of money that comes from the individual entities within the nation, which is meant to be shared somehow.

This is what political-national socialism is all about!

It's about how to collect and spend that pot of money.

There appear to be unfair/unwise ways to collect, as well as unfair/unwise ways to spend.

That's the whole story of national social politics in a nutshell.
 
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