Notre Dame cancels Biden! Catholic school will NOT give Joe a honorary degree!

[jem]

I edited my post slightly... as your post is correct.

If he were going to communion in private or quietly and praying to follow God's will on the matter... I would actually support him.. I don't want to rip what I consider the most important thing (next to or including family) on earth away from him when he needs it.

The issue is what he is doing in public.

The issue of whether Biden should be allowed to take communion/the Eucharist in church has been sort of look-the-other-way or look-but-then-let-it-go issue for a long time. I take points away from the Catholic church for being chickenshit on that. However, there are rumblings and actions about in the direction of actually addressing that issue. So I temporarily restore those points.

There are those who properly assert that these are religious matters and not for the public to take sides on, etc., etc. and that view has merit. However, it becomes convoluted when a candidate- let's just call him Joe Biden- asserts that he is a "devout Catholic" for the purpose of gaining favorable public view or votes. In which case, his assertions are properly subject to examination. Not only by the public but by authorities within the group that he purports to be a devout member of.

MORE TO COME. Apparently sooner rather than later.

April 28, 2021

US Catholic bishops may press Biden to stop taking Communion

https://apnews.com/article/health-c...ics-religion-22e0d1ba299fe8693013036e3cc85c81

 

[Stopthattrain]

You know the ubiquitous seen in the Mafia movies where the Godfather or other Mafia leader is sitting in Church at their child's Baptism, Communion or Confirmation and then the director / editor cuts to the violence as their hit men are taking out the other mafia family or the politician they hate... or the fink who testified...

And we all see the hypocrisy of the Mafia guy in general and blame all Catholics / Christians for hypocrisy ....

That is Pelosi and Biden right now.

They should not be pretending to be good Catholics... and going to Church receiving Communion and supporting the death of innocent humans at the same time.... it hurts those who do try to follow the doctrine. (it would be different analysis if they did this in private.)

Biden, Pelosi, Cuomo are hurting the Church in myraid ways and the Church leaders and Pope himself should be calling them out as to not do so undermines the Church itself and what it stands for... imo.

For instance the Pope was willing to call out Trump (and to some degree conservatives) every other month and Trump was not Catholic.

The Church was irrevocably broken in a myriad of ways long before those 3 clowns.. Stop your outrage and embellishing and get back to trading your inheritance and try not to run it into the ground.

 

[El OchoCinco]

You know the ubiquitous seen in the Mafia movies where the Godfather or other Mafia leader is sitting in Church at their child's Baptism, Communion or Confirmation and then the director / editor cuts to the violence as their hit men are taking out the other mafia family or the politician they hate... or the fink who testified...

And we all see the hypocrisy of the Mafia guy in general and blame all Catholics / Christians for hypocrisy ....

That is Pelosi and Biden right now.

They should not be pretending to be good Catholics... and going to Church receiving Communion and supporting the death of innocent humans at the same time.... it hurts those who do try to follow the doctrine. (it would be different analysis if they did this in private.)

Biden, Pelosi, Cuomo are hurting the Church in myraid ways and the Church leaders and Pope himself should be calling them out as to not do so undermines the Church itself and what it stands for... imo.

For instance the Pope was willing to call out Trump (and to some degree conservatives) every other month and Trump was not Catholic.

I think organized religion still is quite hypocritical. For years they made a point of casting out anyone who was Pro-Choice but was looking the other way for so many years while boys were being molested. Don't kill babies!!! Wait until they are old enough to be molested!

I dont think anyone in the Catholic Church should put on airs that they are good Catholics and they get to deem who are and who are not good Catholics. How does a group that believes in Jesus suddenly get to claim who should be hated and who should be loved.

Personal religion is one thing but organized religion just shoots itself in the foot everytime it opens its mouth.

When the self-proclaimed Church wants to tell certain Catholics to stop practicing because it does not meet their definition of what a good Catholic is, then they should really stop being hypocritical and just unite on their common beliefs. Who is the Church to say Biden and Pelosi should not practice their religion but a priest who molests a boy should be moved to another church??

Any church, not just catholcs, should STFU when they attempt to tell others the right way to be a Catholic, Protestant, Baptist etc....

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

I think organized religion still is quite hypocritical. For years they made a point of casting out anyone who was Pro-Choice but was looking the other way for so many years while boys were being molested. Don't kill babies!!! Wait until they are old enough to be molested!

I dont think anyone in the Catholic Church should put on airs that they are good Catholics and they get to deem who are and who are not good Catholics. How does a group that believes in Jesus suddenly get to claim who should be hated and who should be loved.

Personal religion is one thing but organized religion just shoots itself in the foot everytime it opens its mouth.

When the self-proclaimed Church wants to tell certain Catholics to stop practicing because it does not meet their definition of what a good Catholic is, then they should really stop being hypocritical and just unite on their common beliefs. Who is the Church to say Biden and Pelosi should not practice their religion but a priest who molests a boy should be moved to another church??

Any church, not just catholcs, should STFU when they attempt to tell others the right way to be a Catholic, Protestant, Baptist etc....

Joe is the one who called himself a devout Catholic out on the trail and seems to be having a problem being accepted at a leading Catholic university.

His problem. Let him work it out on the playground if he can or not. People rise to help Joe reconcile such things. Let him handle it. Not my problem. You dont need to start reciting all your issues with religions to help him out. That is neither here nor there.

 

[jem]

Who has outrage over this? I have accepted the hypocrisy.
I don't even care about this Pope and expect nothing less.
Until they clean out the College of Cardinals, the Bishops and the Vatican this is just another symbol of the rot.

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I have not even put my inheritance into the market yet.

The Church was irrevocably broken in a myriad of ways long before those 3 clowns.. Stop your outrage and embellishing and get back to trading your inheritance and try not to run it into the ground.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Joe is the one who called himself a devout Catholic out on the trail and seems to be having a problem being accepted at a leading Catholic university.

His problem. Let him work it out on the playground if he can or not. People rise to help Joe reconcile such things. Let him handle it. Not my problem. You dont need to start reciting all your issues with religions to help him out. That is neither here nor there.

Nothing with Biden is my problem but I still find it funny how the religious like to tell others what is the right way to be religious...while ignoring other ways they are happily not religious. If ND does not want him that is fine but they should take the crown off their head after being one of the only Catholic Universities to not pull back their honorary degree for a well known pedo in the Church.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

If ND does not want him that is fine but they should take the crown off their head after being one of the only Catholic Universities to not pull back their honorary degree for a well known pedo in the Church.

I did not actually read that ND did not want him as in "dis-invite" him.
Maybe the story has developed a bit since the articles I read.

What I read said - more or less- that there were growing and substantial student and some faculty protests- and that Biden suddenly had a scheduling conflict and could not make it.

As I said: "let em work it out on the playground." That may be what it looks like. But I could be wrong. Joe might suddenly find some free time and schedule a visit to ND. I am sure he would love to answer any and all of their questions, such as why he is now planning to provide federal funding of abortions and also talk about how his Catholic faith informs his public and private life since he used it out on the trail. Yeh, that will be fun. On the other hand, he may need to watch Gilligan's Island reruns in his basement and not have any free time to go there. That can happen when you are President.


And yes, there are Catholics and Notre Dame graduates who have behavioral controversies or whatever associated with them. But let's be clear, if a devout catholic whose behavior was beyond reproach entered public life your lefty ilk would go bonkers and feel a need to examine every aspect of their life. Look no further than Notre Dame law grad Amy Conan Barrett for Exhibit A. Your ilk who think that Joe's religious beliefs and compliance with doctrine suddenly go nuts when someone like Amy Barrett or conservative non-catholic christians come close to government and you want to look at and discuss everything.

So if Joe gets some scrutiny we don't all need to start worrying about everyone picking on poor Joe and his private religious life which he- oh by the way- public exploits. As do Kirsten Gillibrand, Tim Kaine, Pelosi, Menendez, Ed Markey, Leahy, etc who are more than happy to campaign on their Catholicness while advocating abortion.

 

[El OchoCinco]

I did not actually read that ND did not want him as in "dis-invite" him.
Maybe the story has developed a bit since the articles I read.

What I read said - more or less- that there were growing and substantial student and some faculty protests- and that Biden suddenly had a scheduling conflict and could not make it.

As I said: "let em work it out on the playground." That may be what it looks like. But I could be wrong. Joe might suddenly find some free time and schedule a visit to ND. I am sure he would love to answer any and all of their questions, such as why he is now planning to provide federal funding of abortions and also talk about how his Catholic faith informs his public and private life since he used it out on the trail. Yeh, that will be fun. On the other hand, he may need to watch Gilligan's Island reruns in his basement and not have any free time to go there. That can happen when you are President.


And yes, there are Catholics and Notre Dame graduates who have behavioral controversies or whatever associated with them. But let's be clear, if a devout catholic whose behavior was beyond reproach entered public life your lefty ilk would go bonkers and feel a need to examine every aspect of their life. Look no further than Notre Dame law grad Amy Conan Barrett for Exhibit A. Your ilk who think that Joe's religious beliefs and compliance with doctrine suddenly go nuts when someone like Amy Barrett or conservative non-catholic christians come close to government and you want to look at and discuss everything.

So if Joe gets some scrutiny we don't all need to start worrying about everyone picking on poor Joe and his private religious life which he- oh by the way- public exploits. As do Kirsten Gillibrand, Tim Kaine, Pelosi, Menendez, Ed Markey, Leahy, etc who are more than happy to campaign on their Catholicness while advocating abortion.

Well to be fair I think the students started a petition when he was offered as a graduation speaker so to be fair it was the students who decided they did not want him.

It is their graduation so if the majority does not want him they should have who they want at their own graduation.

as for me and my ilk you love to quote, I don't really support organized religions from any side or system... it is all bullshit.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Well to be fair I think the students started a petition when he was offered as a graduation speaker so to be fair it was the students who decided they did not want him.

Nope. That doesnt work.

Lots of speakers face protests when invited to college campuses. Especially conservative ones but they go anyway because - well, you know, free speech and like that. There have been some instances of speakers backing out where the university could not or would not offer adequate security but I dont think that applies to Joe's situation. If it does, well, I will read that with interest.

I still have not seen that he was dis-invited. Only that he could not take the heat. Or some other excuse.

He may have been. I am just saying I have not seen it.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Word of the invitation caused a backlash among Notre Dame students and alumni, more than 4,400 of whom signed an open letter urging university President John Jenkins not to invite the Democratic president — even though Biden made clear he wasn’t coming.

Was all for nothing anyway as he was not coming to begin with before the invitation was criticized by the student body...so students acted without realizing he was not even coming anyway



FOX:
While Notre Dame has had more presidents serve as commencement speakers than any university other than the military academies, we have not always hosted a president in his first year in office – or at all," the spokesperson said.

Presidents John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump did not address Notre Dame’s commencement at all.