Not again! Why can't good schools teach black students?

[oldnemesis]

7. When I graduated from high School I got a job at Temple U. hospital in Philadelphia as a trainee. This was a funded federal program (NIH).Using this as a background I took a Job at Lankenau Hospital again in Philadelphia.

8. To get to Lankenau Hospital I had to take two busses and passed every day by St. Joseph's College. A Jesuit run institution.

9. One day I got off the bus early and went into the door labeled "admissions". I told the lady there I wanted to go to college. She told me to wait outside on a bench. After a little while A Jesuit priest came out, sat next to me and talked to me for about an hour. When we were done he took me into the office and told the lady there to give me forms as I was admitted to St. Joseph's. I never took the SAT's. Tuition at St. Joseph's was $400 a semester.

10. For six years I attended St. Josephs, paying for my tuition out of my salary at Lankenau. I graduated with a BS in Chemistry and a 3.45 GPA.

11. Using my newly minted BS I got a job as a lab technician at a state run hospital. The MD who ran the laboratory there moved over to be chairman of the department of medicine at Hahnemann Medical College and Hospital on broad street in Philadelphia. I took a bus one day and met with him and he gave me a job at Hahnemann. Part of the package of working at Hahnemann was you could take graduate courses for free. I took two or three courses a semester along with my working responsibilities. Doing this I earned a master's and then a PhD. and was given a teaching post at Hahnemann. I was 30 years old.

Now I ask: Is such a story possible today?? Can black kids caught in the 'web of poverty' boot strap themselves into the middle class?

I don't think they can.

 

[trendlover]

Crap like this will remain an issue until we admit the genetic differences between the races.

You say that? You are the black man that is saying this? Do you think you have "genetic differences" to be inferior? Are you inferior human being?

 

[CaptainObvious]

What I'm trying to point out to you numbskulls is that there is no solution. The problem is too deep, gone on for too long. Steralization is no more absurd than thinking you're just going to waltz into the ghetto and magically turn around a hundred thousand kids who are living in the absolute worse circumstances, all because you care. Neither idea can be successfully implemented. Short of removing these children from their homes you can't save them, and just try removing them. You know what you'll hear. You're kidnapping our children, robbing them of their culture and turning them white. It's a lost fucking cause. Any viable solution has gone by the wayside. Time and resources squandered by a criminally corrupt government who has with malice and intent created this situation just to have something to piss and moan about on the campaign trail. What they have done to an entire race, all for a god damn vote, is a crime against humanity. Hate me for rubbing your fucking noses in it, but you know what the ugly fucking truth is, and in 5 weeks tens of millions of you stupid fucks will line up to vote in the same crew who continually perpetrate this disaster. Congrats

 

[trendlover]

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http://www.stjoseph-baden.org/history/

We were all made to toe the line and if we didn't the sisters had no compunction against beating us with a yard stick... I received quite a few such beatings.


If you believe this is was good for you, ok then you dismiss the freedoms you have to reject, to question with freedom of speech what they are talking aboutl to have the freedoms to reject and not fear persecution. Why do YOU in the free county that do not allow religions to make law will put that religion as the righteous?

 

[LacesOut]

Funny how they don't need a trillion dollar federal program to learn to dribble a basketball or run a drug gang. Maybe it has something to do with what is important to you.

We have an entertainment culture that convinced white suburban youth that they "really" liked rap music. Would it be too big a task to convince black thugs in training that a better approach is to learn to read and act like a civilized person? Or is that too difficult?

Rap music is awesome.
The problem is the family unit.
The black home, generally speaking, is so much more fucked up than the white home, generally speaking, that it's not even funny.

 

[LacesOut]

7. When I graduated from high School I got a job at Temple U. hospital in Philadelphia as a trainee. This was a funded federal program (NIH).Using this as a background I took a Job at Lankenau Hospital again in Philadelphia.

8. To get to Lankenau Hospital I had to take two busses and passed every day by St. Joseph's College. A Jesuit run institution.

9. One day I got off the bus early and went into the door labeled "admissions". I told the lady there I wanted to go to college. She told me to wait outside on a bench. After a little while A Jesuit priest came out, sat next to me and talked to me for about an hour. When we were done he took me into the office and told the lady there to give me forms as I was admitted to St. Joseph's. I never took the SAT's. Tuition at St. Joseph's was $400 a semester.

10. For six years I attended St. Josephs, paying for my tuition out of my salary at Lankenau. I graduated with a BS in Chemistry and a 3.45 GPA.

11. Using my newly minted BS I got a job as a lab technician at a state run hospital. The MD who ran the laboratory there moved over to be chairman of the department of medicine at Hahnemann Medical College and Hospital on broad street in Philadelphia. I took a bus one day and met with him and he gave me a job at Hahnemann. Part of the package of working at Hahnemann was you could take graduate courses for free. I took two or three courses a semester along with my working responsibilities. Doing this I earned a master's and then a PhD. and was given a teaching post at Hahnemann. I was 30 years old.

Now I ask: Is such a story possible today?? Can black kids caught in the 'web of poverty' boot strap themselves into the middle class?

I don't think they can.

It's a great story
But the answer is - yes they can.
It starts in the family home.

 

[Money Trust]

You say that? You are the black man that is saying this? Do you think you have "genetic differences" to be inferior? Are you inferior human being?

Me and people like me are the exceptions. Overall though, blacks are inferior to other groups. The IQ tests don't lie. Blacks have an average IQ of 78, which qualifies as retarded. It's no coincidence that every other group is able to do just fine in American society, not only academically and economically but also behavior-wise. It is only blacks who can't keep up academically, economically and they behave and react to real life like toddlers. Hell, you're talking about a group who simply cannot understand that if you try to impose an immediate threat to a cop, that he has a right to defend himself. But you wanna tell me that these people aren't inferior to every other group?

While I may be black, I'm a realist first and I know what's going on.

 

[piezoe]

Of course it's something outside of the schools. It always has been. It's the home, or lack of it. These kids have no home. They're in the streets by the time they're 5 or 6.
You're exactly right that they must be shown a different direction at a very early age. It must be intense and round the clock and therein lies the problem. How do we do that without taken these children completely out of their home, out of their community? Essentially give them a whole different life. Answer, we can't do that. You can put these kids in some very intensive program all day, everyday, but at some point you're going to send them right back into the total dysfunction of a young, poorly educated, overwhelmed mother who has emotional problem of her own, and no father. They will spend their evening in the same hellhole neighborhood with the same thugs recruiting them to the thug life. Everything being done during the day will be undone in the evening.
You want the answer? You're not going to like it. Every, and I mean every black person living in the ghettos need to be sterilized. Yeah, I said it. Sterilized for at least two generations. Drastic measures for sure, but it's gone on too long. It's out of control. Anything and everything else will fail. You think that's going to happen? Not a chance in hell. We will continue further down the rabbit hole we've already chosen. Sorry brother, it only gets worse from here.

All of those challenges faced by these under achieving kids that you mention are there, to be sure. But I must say that the well documented results from Headstart, a program beset with every difficulty you recounted, makes me believe that extending a Headstart like program through the 6th grade, at least, could make a big difference. Headstart does improve achievement in the first grade significantly versus kids from similar backgrounds that did not go through Headstart. And importantly, that progress is achieved despite all the negative factors you mention. But the progress made fades slowly, so that by 4th grade there is little difference between the Headstart and the non-Headstart kids.

Now you can interpret this data in two ways. The first way is to conclude that since these Headstart kids largely regress by the time they reach 4th grade the program is not worthwhile. The second way to interpret the data is to conclude that we need to continue doing extra work with these kids until at least middle school. And then at that point evaluate progress and see if the extra effort has been warranted. I think the second way of interpreting the Headstart data makes the most sense in light of the huge benefits to society that could accrue from the additional investment. We know that every investment entails risk, but in this instance I think we have enough preliminary data to indicate the risk is worth taking. Certainly, to borrow a word from Mr. Trump's vocabulary, the payoff could be huge, really huge!

 

[piezoe]

7. When I graduated from high School I got a job at Temple U. hospital in Philadelphia as a trainee. This was a funded federal program (NIH).Using this as a background I took a Job at Lankenau Hospital again in Philadelphia.

8. To get to Lankenau Hospital I had to take two busses and passed every day by St. Joseph's College. A Jesuit run institution.

9. One day I got off the bus early and went into the door labeled "admissions". I told the lady there I wanted to go to college. She told me to wait outside on a bench. After a little while A Jesuit priest came out, sat next to me and talked to me for about an hour. When we were done he took me into the office and told the lady there to give me forms as I was admitted to St. Joseph's. I never took the SAT's. Tuition at St. Joseph's was $400 a semester.

10. For six years I attended St. Josephs, paying for my tuition out of my salary at Lankenau. I graduated with a BS in Chemistry and a 3.45 GPA.

11. Using my newly minted BS I got a job as a lab technician at a state run hospital. The MD who ran the laboratory there moved over to be chairman of the department of medicine at Hahnemann Medical College and Hospital on broad street in Philadelphia. I took a bus one day and met with him and he gave me a job at Hahnemann. Part of the package of working at Hahnemann was you could take graduate courses for free. I took two or three courses a semester along with my working responsibilities. Doing this I earned a master's and then a PhD. and was given a teaching post at Hahnemann. I was 30 years old.

Now I ask: Is such a story possible today?? Can black kids caught in the 'web of poverty' boot strap themselves into the middle class?

I don't think they can.

I agree, It is doubtful that few of our black kids from poor neighborhoods can achieve, on their own, what you were able to achieve. They don't have the kind of parents and support system you had. They have welfare and social services (often inadequate, or even counterproductive) but that's not what we are talking about here. We will have to provide the additional support to these kids that the parents are not providing. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. But we can not know that until we try. The good results from Headstart achieved in grades one and two make me believe it is doable, but to have a chance at succeeding we would have to keep working with these kids beyond the regular school environment and not abandon them as we are now. There are promising model programs already in place. But not every kid has access. We need to make sure that every kid in need in every community participates in these programs. That requires a concerted national, publicly funded effort.

http://www.bgcphila.org/core-programs/education-career-development/

 

[gwb-trading]

I agree, It is doubtful that few of our black kids from poor neighborhoods can achieve, on their own, what you were able to achieve. They don't have the kind of parents and support system you had. They have welfare and social services (often inadequate, or even counterproductive) but that's not what we are talking about here. We will have to provide the additional support to these kids that the parents are not providing. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. But we can not know that until we try. The good results from Headstart achieved in grades one and two make me believe it is doable, but to have a chance at succeeding we would have to keep working with these kids beyond the regular school environment and not abandon them as we are now. There are promising model programs already in place. But not every kid has access. We need to make sure that every kid in need in every community participates in these programs. That requires a concerted national, publicly funded effort.

http://www.bgcphila.org/core-programs/education-career-development/

While I concur that improving educational achievement at low income schools will require additional funding over that of middle income schools. It also requires changes in the attitudes of minority families towards education and personal responsibility. The home situation and attitudes of many minority families is actually the biggest barrier to educational success. My wife and daughter, who are educators, see this every single day in the classroom.

This being said, I do not have a solution for improving the family or home situation of these students so they can be more successful in the classroom. I am open to any & all reasonable ideas. Keep in mind that making these students successful so they can hold jobs and be productive members of society is for the public good; it reduces crime and prison costs over the long term.