Another interesting chart..
Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.
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1. First of all the IPCC uses the term natural variability and I have seen in used in many recent papers... so as a nutter you should understand it.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/042.htm
2. Rapid warming? Compared to what... not any useful comparison. The earth has been this warm many times in the past.
you had some warming after ww II from perhaps the elimination for cfcs and big solar cycle. Warming that when you look at the non fudge temperature still put us in a range similar to previous warm periods... and now we have had no warming for almost as much time. see the chart below.
Using the best statistical methods there has been no warming since the industrial revolution outside what could be considered the norm.
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/042.htm
2. Rapid warming? Compared to what... not any useful comparison. The earth has been this warm many times in the past.
you had some warming after ww II from perhaps the elimination for cfcs and big solar cycle. Warming that when you look at the non fudge temperature still put us in a range similar to previous warm periods... and now we have had no warming for almost as much time. see the chart below.
Using the best statistical methods there has been no warming since the industrial revolution outside what could be considered the norm.
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What does warming outside of natural variability even mean? Sounds like your typical doublespeak.
Has it been hotter? Yes. Colder? Yes.
The rate of rise is the important thing and the rate is unnatural.
Oh look. It looks like a hockey stick!
Temperature data from four international science institutions. All show rapid warming in the past few decades and that the last decade has been the warmest on record.
Quote from jem:
how about a recent chart... this is what the red line looks like now and it seems to match up with the sun a lot more than co2.
co2 closely lags the change in ocean temp.
Interesting, after looking at this chart, scrolling up from the temp spikes...
Nearly every major spike in temp is coincident with the seasonal high CO2 levels, providing good evidence that CO2 levels determine temperature.
Excellent example of temp determination by CO2 level.
rapid warming... look at the scale on your chart. what is that half a degree? go back and look at longer charts... you will see this current temp is low in the range to within the range on the 400000 year chart.
if you were truthful you would admit you do not know what co2 is going to do to our future temps or climate.
if you were truthful you would admit you do not know what co2 is going to do to our future temps or climate.
Quote from futurecurrents:
Temperature data from four international science institutions. All show rapid warming in the past few decades and that the last decade has been the warmest on record.
Anyone can for see it for themselves. There is no lag. The spikes coincide with the CO2 high points.
Yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas and man has raised it's level 40% so world temps are at record highs and rising. The last decade is the warmest on record.
Oh, and 97% of climate scientists agree.