Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.

1. Natural Global Warming is a fact?
-no its troll deception... you gave no science
-our current temperature is within the natural range the earth has been cycling through for millions of years.
-So however you define your terms... it will be misleading.

2. Man made global warming is far from a fact.
Here you again just make shit up.

a. using the best statistical methods you can not show current temps are outside natural variability.

b. there is no science showing man made co2 is causing warming on earth. We have complicated dynamic systems. you are using simplistic thinking. You need to think in systems backed with science. not ipcc slogans.

The IPCC and others were relying on models to show that man made co2 causes warming... those models failed to predict the lack of warming we have had for the past 16 years.

In short there is no science showing co2 is causing warming on earth. That is fact.


3. finally your representation of is a joke...

the 97% number was a quote taken from a debunked datamined survey.


David R. Legates, Willie Soon, William M. Briggs, Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9

Abstract

Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007–2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019–2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate ‘misinformation’ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.








Quote from stu:

My main attack is stupid as can be because you agree with it. Coming from you that figures.

But if you were at all honest, wouldn't you admit you don't even understand what my 'main attack' is?

AGW is not even the same thing as climate change. Natural global warming is a fact. In the same way AGW is a fact; co2 will warm the atmosphere no matter its origin.

ACC (anthropic climate change) is the logical scientifically based anticipated outcome from natural global warming and anthropic global warming.

A similar but far more scientific approach to your own admittance that - if you don't know what pollution is doing to the atmosphere pumping more of it into the atmosphere is not a good idea - only with actual facts and figures.

1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data showing 97% of climate researchers most actively publishing in the field surveyed support the tenets of ACC (anthropic climate change) is not the 97% Doran survey.

Your politics are another separate issue and probably another reason why you are always so confused.
If you do so object to people making unsupported assumptions and then acting like its proven science, then you should start by objecting against yourself.
 
Quote from stu:

To be very clear then, I produced another "broad survey" , though the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is hardly merely a survey.
1,376 researchers with citation data finding 97% of scientists support agw, is far broader than any "survey".

Agw is a fact in the same way photosynthesis is a fact. The role co2 plays in those two is fact.
Co2 causes global warming is fact. If it didn't the earth would be completely unsuitable for 'life as we know it Jim'. That's a fact.

Man made co2 is a fact.
That a portion of man made co2 from burning fossil fuel remains in the atmosphere is a fact. Having a uniquely distinct signature, it is measured as a fact.
Natural processes take up all natural emissions of co2, plus nearly 60% of man-made emissions. That's a fact. This leaves around 16 billion tons of anthropogenic co2 in the atmosphere every year . That's a fact.

As co2 warms the atmosphere by retaining heat, human-induced co2 will do exactly the same when left in the atmosphere. That's a fact. As human-induced co2 is being left in the atmosphere, agw is a fact.

So agw is a fact just like photosynthesis is a fact. The real debate is to what significant extent there is, or is going to, be any harmful affect upon the climate. Then there's a separate political debate about how to manage the issue based upon the fact.
Or in other words, how much of a no brainer is it for humankind to not unbalance a natural system which fundamentally holds in equilibrium the difference between human existence and extinction.
The mornic anti-science refuseniks of agw facts do not produce any kind of real debate. Just one more weird wonderland where evolution deniers / no moon landing / flat earth / birthers / god did it conspiracy extremists once again struggle with the reality of facts.


bravo

anyone who disputes anything you said here is an idiot.

cue the Republican morons here......
 
Quote from gwb-trading:

So you are taking yet another opportunity to cast your absurd categorization on those who do not support AGW alarmism.

Let me be clear for the record. Nearly all the people I have met who are skeptical about AGW have PhD and Master degrees. None are 'evolution deniers / no moon landing / flat earth / birthers / god did it conspiracy extremists'.

P.S. Many vote democratic and do university research for a living.

Regardless. They are idiots if they deny AGW. You must attract idiots.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

bravo

anyone who disputes anything you said here is an idiot.

cue the Republican morons here......

Even the polar bears are doing a face palm to your endless non-factual rants.

polarbearshameglobalwarming.jpeg
 
Quote from jem:

1. Natural Global Warming is a fact?
-no its troll deception... you gave no science
-our current temperature is within the natural range the earth has been cycling through for millions of years.
-So however you define your terms... it will be misleading.

2. Man made global warming is far from a fact.
Here you again just make shit up.

a. using the best statistical methods you can not show current temps are outside natural variability.

b. there is no science showing man made co2 is causing warming on earth. We have complicated dynamic systems. you are using simplistic thinking. You need to think in systems backed with science. not ipcc slogans.

The IPCC and others were relying on models to show that man made co2 causes warming... those models failed to predict the lack of warming we have had for the past 16 years.

In short there is no science showing co2 is causing warming on earth. That is fact.


3. finally your representation of is a joke...

the 97% number was a quote taken from a debunked datamined survey.


David R. Legates, Willie Soon, William M. Briggs, Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9

Abstract

Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007–2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019–2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate ‘misinformation’ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.

Will you please choose one lie at a time to refute. As it is, it's a huge pile of bullshit lies. Very hard to completely debunk.

You are the personification of the slimy intellectually dishonest lawyer that gets a perverse thrill by defending someone guilty as hell.

You are a sick sick man to let ideology so warp your brain. You suck.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

Will you please choose one lie at a time to refute. As it is, it's a huge pile of bullshit lies. Very hard to completely debunk.

You are the personification of the slimy intellectually dishonest lawyer that gets a perverse thrill by defending someone guilty as hell.

You are a sick sick man to let ideology so warp your brain. You suck.

FC. Have you ever considered being polite and rational? Or are you intent on remaining the typical caricature of a global warming alarmist?
 
Quote from gwb-trading:

Even the polar bears are doing a face palm to your endless non-factual rants.

polarbearshameglobalwarming.jpeg

And why the fuck should stu and continue to waste our time showing you assholes facts?

If someone keeps hitting a donkey over the head and the donkey never moves, at some point the guy hitting the donkey looks just as stupid.
 
Quote from gwb-trading:

FC. Have you ever considered being polite and rational? Or are you intent on remaining the typical caricature of a global warming alarmist?

I've run out of patience. Actually, if you were my donkey, I would have shot you by now.


You idiots are trying to say black is white or up is down.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

And why the fuck should stu and continue to waste our time showing you assholes facts?

You shouldn't, please cease and desist immediately.
 
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