Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.

all your quotes come from times before NASA proved co2 also cools and before the earth had not warmed for 17 years.

that is why you need to produce science like this below... not your propaganda.

Quote from jem:

here is a real thing that happens in our atmosphere...
greenhouse gases also cool.


Here is a real experiment / observation in our atmosphere...

http://science.nasa.gov/science-new...12/22mar_saber/


Mlynczak is the associate principal investigator for the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air hundreds of km above our planet’s surface.
“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”
That’s what happened on March 8th when a coronal mass ejection (CME) propelled in our direction by an X5-class solar flare hit Earth’s magnetic field. (On the “Richter Scale of Solar Flares,” X-class flares are the most powerful kind.) Energetic particles rained down on the upper atmosphere, depositing their energy where they hit. The action produced spectacular auroras around the poles and significant1 upper atmospheric heating all around the globe.
“The thermosphere lit up like a Christmas tree,” says Russell. “It began to glow intensely at infrared wavelengths as the thermostat effect kicked in.”
For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy. Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.
 
American Meteorological Society

"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence

that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is

human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases,

including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
 
Quote from jem:

all your quotes come from times before NASA proved co2 also cools and before the earth had not warmed for 17 years.

that is why you need to produce science like this below... not your propaganda.

No, CO2 does not cool, it is a greenhouse gas, and it does not act like a thermostat and the earth has warmed rapidly over the last 17 years.

You are a very confused and ignorant person.

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Missing Data from Arctic One Cause of Pause in Temperature Rise
An uneven set of measurements has resulted in a bias towards cold in global average temperature records, helping create a seeming hiatus in global warming

By Stephanie Paige Ogburn and ClimateWire

"Keeping track of our planet's temperature is no easy task.

"The keepers of such long-term data sets, usually government institutions, know they have to account for numerous variations to keep a consistent measurement of temperatures through time. Without that, it is impossible to know how our world is changing.

"Yet today's thermometers are not the same as those 100 years ago. The time of day that temperature measurements are taken has changed. Then there's the issue of coverage -- where, exactly, those thermometers are located. In more remote places, there are fewer measurements.

"A new study finds that some of those missing measurements, particularly in the Arctic, which has recently warmed faster than any other part of the world, may have affected the trajectory of global temperatures in a key temperature data series.

"Our best measurements only cover about five-sixths of the globe," said Kevin Cowtan, a computational scientist at the University of York.

"The data series Cowtan examined is put out by the United Kingdom's Met Office Hadley Centre and referred to as HadCRUT4. At first glance, a graph of HadCRUT4 temperature anomalies over the past 130 years or so seems to show a clear trend."

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Quote from piezoe:
Stu, my impression is that his use of the term "proxy" is in line with its accepted meaning, and it is not at all used by him as a dismissive term, so much as a reminder to be cautious. That is to say, the concentration of CO2 in ice is not a direct measurement of the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere when the ice formed, but a "proxy" or stand-in for that measurement. As another example of the use of the term "proxy," the growth rings of bristlecone pine at the treeline, ~11,000-12,000 feet, have been used as a proxy for temperature over the past 3700 years. (Not a very long period when compared to the oldest age of the ice core samples.) There are no direct measurements of temperature that far back; the bristlecone growth is being used as a "proxy".

It doesn't take a scientific background to understand that when one is using a proxy for something one can't measure directly, the opportunity for error increases. I think Salby has used this term quite correctly. He himself is using the ice core data as a "proxy" for past atmospheric CO2 concentrations, but he maintains that if one properly corrects the core data for CO2 diffusion, that past atmospheric concentration were much higher then is commonly accepted.
But piezoe, neither does it take a scientific background to understand there is no proxy. None of any kind except a phantom one.

There is no proxy because there is nothing standing in for the measurement of CO2. CO2 is exactly what's being directly measured. Greenhouse gases themselves in a precise record of atmospheric concentration.
It might as well be argued multiplication is a proxy for math.

Diffusion correction techniques are standard procedure in ice core sampling. Diffusion processes are a well known part of the science.
In my opinion, one should be extremely skeptical of people like Salby who want to make a completely unexplained and totally incompatible "correcting" of science for the purpose of giving themselves the appearance they have an argument.

Quote from piezoe:
I wouldn't agree that you won't see his paper in print. I am quite certain you will, but we'll all need to be patient. Whenever you try to publish something that challenges conventional thinking, it is going to be difficult, but with persistence, it will be published. Unless, of course, a reviewer can find what he considers to be a fatal flaw, and Salby can't rebut to the satisfaction of the editors. The papers that are hard to get published in peer reviewed journals, but eventually appear, are, I would say, invariably the most interesting, and make the most important contributions.

I will tell you a story about getting something published that breaks sharply with convention. M.J.S. Dewar once published a paper entitled "Why Life Exists." (one of his best papers!) Without going into technical detail, I will tell you that the paper deals with the activation barrier for reactions on carbon atoms, and Dewar showed that these barriers, on saturated carbon, were the result of carbon's small size. That wasn't particularly ground breaking, and that wasn't what made the paper so difficult to get published, nor was its the peculiarly Dewaresque title. Instead, it was Dewar's empirical calculations indicating that reactions on unsaturated carbon should take place exothermically without an activation barrier. But they don't, so Dewar concluded the observed barrier to these reactions in solution was due entirely to desolvation, i.e., the energy needed to move the solvent away from the reactant. In Dewar's own words, "This idea so shocked referees of our manuscript, when we sent it to 'Journal of the American Chemical Society', that we eventually had to publish it elsewhere." (That elsewhere was 'Organometallics, 1982, 1, 1705.) Three and four years later, Dewar was shown to be correct by two independent ab initio calculations.
"...it was Dewar's empirical calculations.." is what you say. Salby hasn't presented any!! His proxy is , as he states, only a belief, not his empirical calculations based upon science. If he had any empirical calculations, then it would be another matter entirely . On the contrary, he is making assertions, not backed by any scientific evidence or empirical fact.

As far as I am aware there is no sign of a paper whatsoever. He appears more occupied with a lecture tour, a video and a book than scientifically establishing his claims . But maybe that's just his way of building up to writing one.

Quote from piezoe:

There are literally hundreds of the best papers in science that ran into great difficulties with referees. In fact, it is the rule rather than the exception, that the best papers, the one's that challenge conventional thinking, are difficult to get published. So we should recognize that if it should take Salby a long time to publish the work is Hamburg talk was based on -- that is a sign that the paper may be very significant. On the other hand if it never comes out, and is buried, well we know what that most likely is telling us!
Seriously piezoe? If a paper never comes out , what will that most likely tell you?

Could it not be that, as his claims are not being supported by any scientific evidence outside of a non-existent paper, then it is highly unlikely there is any scientific merit on which a paper can stand?
Or is no paper merely going to stand-in as proxy for a conspiracy theory against him?

Salby isn't challenging conventional thinking. He's putting up an unsubstantiated claim against scientific evidence he does not refute.
At the moment, he's making a living from it .
 
"Global mean surface temperature
over the past 20 years (1993–2012)
rose at a rate of 0.14 ± 0.06 °C
per decade (95% confidence interval) 1.
This rate of warming is significantly
slower than that simulated by the climate
models participating in Phase 5 of
the Coupled Model Intercomparison
Project (CMIP5)."

Mismatch between the warming and the models. So... the warming is wrong? Lol.
 
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