Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.

[futurecurrents]

This is what happens.

Note the general downtrend until 1900

 

[jem]

Not that ridiculous slanted chart designed to misrepresent fact.
That chart is a perfectly example of your lies. That you could claim to not be a liar and present that chart as some sort of proof co2 leads temps shows you do not understand that misrepresenting fact is the same as lying.


even the chart you posted (see below) makes it obvious change in antarctic temperature (the red line) lead co2.

the ice core data shows... that for 400000 years co2 levels have trailed temperature.

Why are you lying about fact? Would your buddy bono condone lies to support big govt?

Quote from futurecurrents:

Here is the first chart showing CO2 leading temperature as someone rational - leaves out jem - would expect since CO2 is a greenhouse gas. As levels of a GHG go up if all else is equal, then we would expect temps to go up. It's simple logic which jem still does not understand.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

Not that ridiculous slanted chart designed to misrepresent fact.
(this is an example of your lies... as you know damn well co2 trails temps in all the data.)

even the chart you posted here makes it obvious temps lead co2.

note you even tried to misrepresent what this chart was showing.
but let me make it clear. Antartic temps warm. Co2 gets released.

for 400000 years co2 levels have trailed temperature.

No. There is nothing wrong with the chart and CO2 is a greenhouse gas so if levels go up we would expect the temps to go up, and they have. It's really pretty simple. Even a Republican or Libtardarian should be able to understand it.

 

[jem]

Its your representation of what it means is the lie. Your implicit representation, perhaps on this thread, but you have been using it to lie for years.

If you are not using it to misrepresent fact, why are you posting a chart which shows co2 trailing temps?

Quote from futurecurrents:

No. There is nothing wrong with the chart.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Yes CO2 is an important greenhouse gas and we have raised it's levels by 40%.

And yet CO2 is still only a tiny fraction of the atmosphere, go figure.

 

[fhl]

"The 1883 eruption of the Krakatoa volcano, in present-day Indonesia, had the force of 200 megatons of TNT. That's the equivalent of 13,300 15-kiloton atomic bombs, the kind that destroyed Hiroshima in 1945. Preceding that eruption was the 1815 Tambora eruption, also in present-day Indonesia, which holds the record as the largest known volcanic eruption. It spewed so much debris into the atmosphere, blocking sunlight, that 1816 became known as the "Year Without a Summer" or "Summer That Never Was." It led to crop failures and livestock death in much of the Northern Hemisphere and caused the worst famine of the 19th century. The A.D. 535 Krakatoa eruption had such force that it blotted out much of the light and heat of the sun for 18 months and is said to have led to the Dark Ages. Geophysicists estimate that just three volcanic eruptions, Indonesia (1883), Alaska (1912) and Iceland (1947), spewed more carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than all of mankind's activities in our entire history."

"Occasionally, environmentalists spill the beans and reveal their true agenda. Barry Commoner said, "Capitalism is the earth's number one enemy." Amherst College professor Leo Marx said, "On ecological grounds, the case for world government is beyond argument." With the decline of the USSR, communism has lost considerable respectability and is now repackaged as environmentalism and progressivism."

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/12/11/our-fragile-planet-n1759906

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

Its your representation of what it means is the lie. Your implicit representation, perhaps on this thread, but you have been using it to lie for years.

If you are not using it to misrepresent fact, why are you posting a chart which shows co2 trailing temps?

Yes, CO2 is the most important long term greenhouse gas. It's levels act like a thermostat, the higher the level the higher the temp.

Yes we have raised the levels 40% and the temps have risen at essentially the same time. One can clearly see that on the chart.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from fhl:

"The 1883 eruption of the Krakatoa volcano, in present-day Indonesia, had the force of 200 megatons of TNT. That's the equivalent of 13,300 15-kiloton atomic bombs, the kind that destroyed Hiroshima in 1945. Preceding that eruption was the 1815 Tambora eruption, also in present-day Indonesia, which holds the record as the largest known volcanic eruption. It spewed so much debris into the atmosphere, blocking sunlight, that 1816 became known as the "Year Without a Summer" or "Summer That Never Was." It led to crop failures and livestock death in much of the Northern Hemisphere and caused the worst famine of the 19th century. The A.D. 535 Krakatoa eruption had such force that it blotted out much of the light and heat of the sun for 18 months and is said to have led to the Dark Ages. Geophysicists estimate that just three volcanic eruptions, Indonesia (1883), Alaska (1912) and Iceland (1947), spewed more carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than all of mankind's activities in our entire history."

"Occasionally, environmentalists spill the beans and reveal their true agenda. Barry Commoner said, "Capitalism is the earth's number one enemy." Amherst College professor Leo Marx said, "On ecological grounds, the case for world government is beyond argument." With the decline of the USSR, communism has lost considerable respectability and is now repackaged as environmentalism and progressivism."

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/12/11/our-fragile-planet-n1759906

OK look, you and your crazy cohorts that think this all about control and power and political maneuvering and resurgence of communism and the UN taking over are simply irrational, hysterical and deluded. Does it get involved? Is our govt largely owned by big coal/oil interests? Just how much power does the green industry have compared to the fossil fuel industry?

The automatic dismissal of science because of ideology must stop.


But the volcano thing reminds me of geoengineering with SO2 to help control the warming. It may help save us from the worst.

 

[jem]

you were caught lying again... and now you are trying to change the subject.

If you are not misrepresenting facts... why did you post a chart which shows co2 leading temps.

Quote from futurecurrents:

Yes, CO2 is the most important long term greenhouse gas. It's levels act like a thermostat, the higher the level the higher the temp.

Yes we have raised the levels 40% and the temps have risen at essentially the same time. One can clearly see that on the chart.

 

[jem]

more proof that greenhouses gasses cause cooling.

Quote from fhl:

"The 1883 eruption of the Krakatoa volcano, in present-day Indonesia, had the force of 200 megatons of TNT. That's the equivalent of 13,300 15-kiloton atomic bombs, the kind that destroyed Hiroshima in 1945. Preceding that eruption was the 1815 Tambora eruption, also in present-day Indonesia, which holds the record as the largest known volcanic eruption. It spewed so much debris into the atmosphere, blocking sunlight, that 1816 became known as the "Year Without a Summer" or "Summer That Never Was." It led to crop failures and livestock death in much of the Northern Hemisphere and caused the worst famine of the 19th century. The A.D. 535 Krakatoa eruption had such force that it blotted out much of the light and heat of the sun for 18 months and is said to have led to the Dark Ages. Geophysicists estimate that just three volcanic eruptions, Indonesia (1883), Alaska (1912) and Iceland (1947), spewed more carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than all of mankind's activities in our entire history."

"Occasionally, environmentalists spill the beans and reveal their true agenda. Barry Commoner said, "Capitalism is the earth's number one enemy." Amherst College professor Leo Marx said, "On ecological grounds, the case for world government is beyond argument." With the decline of the USSR, communism has lost considerable respectability and is now repackaged as environmentalism and progressivism."

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/12/11/our-fragile-planet-n1759906