North Korea's Nuclear Weapons

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It drives you nuts that you can’t figure out what I am doing on this forum
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Wow, you mean you have a secret plan? There's a method to all of this? Wow. Does it have something to do with your blood relationship to Henry VIII?
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the difference between you and I is that you are a follower, and I never been a follower in my life and I never been part of the herd.
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I find it interesting that you can't quite bring yourself to say it. You hint at it here, but you won't come right out and say it. Why not? Go ahead and say it. 'I am a leader of men'. After all, you're to the manner born, right? No surprise that you are a leader of men. You shouldn't feel bad about saying it - that's what leaders do.

Anyhow, let us know the next time you have lunch with the King of Monaco or have drinks with the President of Brazil or predict the price of cotton next year or win the Pulitzer for journalism.

And by the way, interesting that you are steadfastly avoiding the question I said you would avoid, even after I pointed it out 3 times. Now why would that be...after all, it's such a simple question, and one that isn't unreasonable given your posts here...

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I just saw this bit from you

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Kim Jong Il can’t back down now, and he has to continue his nuclear tests, because if he does not continue with the nuclear tests the entire world would think that his nuclear weapons program has been a big failure – and that all his people were able to build was a big firecracker.
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Wow, southamerica... you sure do have a poor understanding of what it is that the Beloved Leader is doing. The success or failure of his tests matters not at all.

I think you're probably making the mistake of assuming that your way of thinking is similar to his and what seems logical to you will seem logical to him. This is a common failing of very very arrogant but ill-informed people.

Goodbye forever... and good luck leading your followers.
 
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SouthAmerica: Reply to TraderNik

You still stuck on the same old note.

The fact that my postings can bother you so much - it is a lot of fun for me.


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October 21, 2006

SouthAmerica: Reply to TraderNik

For your information Monaco does not have a King – It is called the “Principality of Monaco,” and Monaco is a city-state about twice the size of Central Park in Manhattan. Instead of a king its head of state is called the Sovereign “Prince” of Monaco.

Regarding your nasty comment “you have lunch with the King of Monaco” that shows your ignorance one more time – your Grace Kelly knowledge of European nobility – If you want to make a proper comparison about my ancestors then you should pick from this select choices:

France: House of Orleans

Russia: House of Romanov

Spain: House of Bourbon

Great Britain: House of Windsor


Monaco’s House of Grimaldi has been rulers of a nation not bigger than a city- block.


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October 22, 2006

SouthAmerica: I just noticed on Google News that everybody is reporting about the United States “Arrogance” and “Stupidity” in Iraq – including CNN News, ABC News, the BBC News, even Fox News.

Today, there is a lot of bad news to be reported about the Bush administration’s complete incompetence regarding US foreign policy.

Here is an example of a piece that may not even make the news in the United States, but it is front page on a major Brazilian newspaper.

In a nutshell: The Brazilian newspaper said: “Former US President says George W. Bush is responsible for North Korean Crisis” - On Friday, former US president Jimmy Carter said the Bush administration is responsible for the US/North Korea nuclear weapons crisis and that the Bush administration policies pushed North Korea in the direction of testing the nuclear device…..



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“Ex-presidente dos EUA culpa Bush por crise da Coréia do Norte”
A Folha de Sao Paulo – 22 de Outubro de 2006


O ex-presidente dos Estados Unidos Jimmy Carter disse nesta sexta-feira que o governo de George W. Bush tinha parte da responsabilidade pela decisão da Coréia do Norte de testar um artefato nuclear. Para Carter, o isolamento de Pyongyang promovido por Bush era um fator de culpa pela explosão, anunciada em 9 de outubro pelo regime do ditador Kim Jong-il.

"Obviamente, a maior parte da culpa é da Coréia do Norte, mas foram as estratégias dos EUA que nos trouxeram para essa situação", disse Carter, democrata que governou o país de 1977 a 1981.

Em 1994, Carter negociou um acordo sobre o programa nuclear de Pyongyang durante uma visita à Coréia do Norte. Na época, os EUA eram liderados pelo também democrata Bill Clinton (1993-2001).

"O governo Bush alterou aquela estratégia" afirmou o ex-presidente. "Eles puseram o acordo com a Coréia do Norte na lata de lixo e ameaçaram o país com um ataque militar, e como resultado, a Coréia do Norte anunciou sua retirada do Tratado de Não-Proliferação Nuclear".

Carter disse ainda que era favorável a uma retomada das negociações com a Coréia do Norte. "Infelizmente, os EUA estabeleceram uma política internacional sem precedentes, de simplesmente não conversar com ninguém que discorde de nós".

O presidente Bush rejeitou as críticas dos democratas com relação à Coréia do Norte e disse que conversações diretas com Pyongyang falharam no passado, numa alusão à violação do acordo de 1994 firmado pelo governo Clinton com o país. Bush concentra seus esforços agora na recuperação da mesa de negociações multilaterais que inclui, além dos EUA e da Coréia do Norte, a Coréia do Sul, a China, o Japão e a Rússia.

Com Reuters / Source Reuters


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November 6, 2006

SouthAmerica: Now that the UN approved sanctions against North Korea – The North Koreans have nothing to lose by testing one or two more nuclear devices.

The US mainstream media are saying that North Korea’s frozen funds are really hurting that country (I understand that North Korea has $ 24 million dollars in frozen funds) and that was one of the reasons for them to accept to return to the 6 party talks regarding North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

The US mainstream media also claims that North Korea has been producing millions of US dollars in counterfeit money – and they refer to them as super notes because they are of superior quality and only experts can figure out that they are counterfeit US currency.

If we are supposed to believe on these stories, then if the US has frozen $ 24 million dollars in North Korea’s money then it would be a piece of cake for the North Koreans to replace the $ 24 million US dollars in frozen money with a new batch of US counterfeit currency.

Kim Jong-il knows that as soon as he gives up his nuclear weapons program the US would try to overthrow him – I have seen television programs here in the US in the last 2 years were pundits say that the US can’t overthrow Kim Jong-il as long as he is holding on to his nukes.

I don’t understand why Hugo Chavez is not taking this opportunity to make a deal and ask China to deliver a certain amount of oil to North Korea on Venezuela’s behalf.

Chavez would score a few points in the world’s stage if he did send enough oil to help the North Koreans survive the current crisis.



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The New York Times
Editorial – November 5, 2006
“Testing North Korea”


Nobody knows why the North Koreans decided to come back to the negotiating table or whether any pressure or promise could persuade them to give up their nuclear weapons. But after a year of nothing happening — except for Pyongyang churning out more plutonium — it is far past time to find out.

Administration hawks are claiming that sanctions and the threat of a naval blockade — after last month’s nuclear test — wrestled the North back to the table. The more diplomatically minded suggest that Washington’s offer to also discuss American financial sanctions may have helped tip the balance.

So what do we do now? The best approach is to try more of both — pressure and promises — and see if it works. That is pretty unremarkable advice. Except, of course, for the Bush administration, which can’t decide if it wants to negotiate with Kim Jong-il or try to overthrow him.

Last year President Bush agreed to offer economic and security incentives to North Korea. And Pyongyang may — or may not — have agreed to give up its weapons. But we never got to find out because Washington quickly undercut its own offer, imposing tough new financial sanctions, ostensibly to punish the North for selling counterfeit dollars. The North walked away from the table.

North Korea more than deserves to be punished for testing a nuclear weapon. And the sight of a unified United Nations Security Council meting out even limited sanctions has caught its attention. We suspect that China’s undeclared suspension of oil deliveries during the month of September (after the North’s missile tests) also helped.

That is a clear argument for the Security Council to keep up the pressure. More nudges from Beijing would help, too.

But this is certainly not the time for backtracking. It is also not the time for more unilateral American sanctions, intemperate rhetoric or anything else administration hawks might cook up to scuttle the talks. If President Bush is serious about trying to negotiate his way out of the nightmare of a nuclear-armed North Korea, he needs to end debate within his administration and empower Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to cut the best deal she can. She should start with a clear pledge that the United States will not try to overthrow the North Korean government if it gives up its weapons program.

It’s impossible to know whether North Korea’s Dear Leader will trade away his weapons at any price. But this White House has yet to test him.


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The bush admins claim was an ambit offer anyway, and 24$mill is nothing.

Further, in case nobodies noticed, sanctions rarely impact on an administrations direct abilities to procure weapons, hundreds of years of arms dealing has seen to it that loopholes remain open.
The main impact of blockades and embargoes has historically, been on the civilian population, which is really quite sick when you look at various policies employed by certain governments over time.

Yes, that is very precisely the approach.
Foment civil dissent, in the hope the dictatorship/coup leaders/gov/whoevertheheckis running the show to be overthrown by "popular uprising", at limited cost to the agent provocateur.
 
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November 21, 2006

SouthAmerica: Today I was reading the special annual issue of “The Economist” – The World in 2007 – and one of the articles did catch my attention - “It is time to plan for the unthinkable: the collapse of North Korea.”

I don’t understand why “The Economist” magazine arrived to that conclusion, since current events suggest that North and South Korea if anything are moving in the direction of country unification.

The South Koreans are not stupid, and they know that a North Korea armed with nuclear weapons will bring a lot more clout to a new unified Korea, than if they unify both countries without North Korea’s nuclear arsenal.

After unification the new Korea armed with nuclear weapons will be among the elite countries of the world – they will be playing in Serie A of the global ball game, instead of belonging to Serie B with such countries as Brazil and so on……

Why today Brazil does not have a permanent seat with veto power at the United Nations Security Council?

Because Brazil it does not have nuclear weapons, and that puts Brazil in the second tier of countries with less influence and prestige.

I am sorry to say that my fellow Brazilians can’t figure that one out – even though it is so obvious to me. What makes Brazil look even worse it is the fact that a very poor and starving North Korea is able to build nukes and they have nuclear weapons, and in Brazil the Brazilians expect to defend Brazil from any foreign invasion with soccer and carnival.

I am trying to analyze the current situation in the Korean Peninsula from the point of view of the South Koreans.

The South Koreans have the choice of helping North Korea today, and continue their efforts towards unification with a North Korea armed with nuclear weapons – a move that would give more global clout and prestige to the newly unified Korea.

Or they have a second option and help the other countries in the area destabilize North Korea to the point of a meltdown with the worse possible outcome. In this scenario no one wins, everybody loses.

As I mentioned before the only country in the area that should be afraid of a North Korea armed with nuclear weapons is Japan.

From China’s point of view: Why should China do anything to destabilize North Korea?

North Korea is not going to attack China with their nuclear weapons, and I am sure that North Korea will never use nuclear weapons against their relatives who are living in South Korea. Instead of trying to choke North Korea on behalf of the United States, China can do the opposite and they should help rebuild the infrastructure of North Korea, since China has a lot more to gain in the short and long run by having a prosperous North Korea trading and pig-backing on China’s booming economy.

Why the Chinese would want to destabilize the economy of North Korea with its 20 million population when such instability can spill over into China and destabilize an area inside China where millions of Chinese people live today.

When you analyze that entire situation using reason and common sense then there is only one conclusion to be arrived to by the Chinese and the South Koreans – and that is they should help North Korea economically and help them move into the future as part of the prosperity that is transforming that part of the world.

The Chinese government is very smart and I am sure they are able to grasp what I am saying here.

The South Koreans know that their major self-interest is to unify both Koreas, because an unified Korea will have great opportunities for economic gains in the coming decades from the economic development of China which is located right next door. The economic development of China in the coming decades serve as a major incentive for both Koreas to merge as soon as possible and take advantage of this unique historical opportunity.

Why should China and South Korea listen to the Bush administration's requests regarding North Korea – when the Bush administration has “ZERO” credibility around the world.

Only Jackasses such as George W. Bush and Dickhead Cheney - think that a war is a solution for everything - look how pathetic the situation of the United States in Iraq, and these clowns still are talking about expanding the war even further into Iran.

How stupid can you get?



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“South Korea's Pyeongchang seeks North's support for bid”
By: Jon Herskovitz, editing by Miles Evans; Reuters
Reuters – November 22, 2006


SEOUL, Nov 22 (Reuters) - A top official from the South Korean city campaigning to host the 2014 Winter Olympics went to North Korea on Wednesday to discuss ways the communist state could support the bid, officials said.

Kim Jin-sun, executive president of the 2014 Pyeongchang Olympic Winter Games Bid Committee, will be in North Korea until Saturday, they said.

"It is hoped that a successful bid for the 2014 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games could help bring people together and ease tension on the Korean peninsula," the bid committee said in a statement.

Bid officials have said they do not plan to include North Korea in hosting any of the events for the Games but they expect that by 2014 the two Koreas will be competing as a unified team.

The province that includes Pyeongchang -- a rustic mountain village about 200 km (120 miles) east of Seoul -- shares a long border with North Korea.

Last week, North Korea said it was willing to return to talks with the South on forming a joint Olympic team for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Pyongyang withdrew from the talks in anger after Seoul cut off regular food aid to its impoverished neighbour in response to the North's defiant nuclear missile test in July.

North and South Korea have marched together at past Olympics, including this year's Winter Games in Turin, but competed as separate teams.

Still technically at war after their 1950-53 conflict ended without a peace treaty, North and South Korea first considered competing as a joint team at the 1964 Olympics in Tokyo, but years of acrimony and military tensions have prevented the idea from coming to pass.


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December 14, 2006

SouthAmerica: Here is the “JOKE” of the week.

Quoting from this article: “Hill, under questioning, said no one accepts North Korea as a nuclear power because of the test and that Pyongyang should not expect that the detonation will bring it any more bargaining power at the six-way talks.”

And these clowns say silly stuff like that with a straight face.

When he was negotiating with the North Koreans:

I bet he was also thinking “Our atomic bomb is bigger than yours.”

Ours makes a bigger Booooooooom.



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“US Seeks Swift Progress at Korea Nuclear Talks
By David Gollust
State Department
Voice of America - 13 December 2006


The lead U.S. delegate to the six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear program says he wants to see concrete progress before the end of the year.

The Chinese-sponsored negotiations reconvene in Beijing Monday after an interruption of more than a year. VOA's David Gollust reports from the State Department.

The six-party talks produced an agreement in principle in September of last year under which North Korea said it would give up its nuclear program in return for aid and security guarantees.

Now, chief U.S. delegate Christopher Hill says the next phase will be implementation of that framework and he is hoping to see some tangible results by the time the new round breaks in about a week for the Christmas holiday period.

"We need concrete progress," said Mr. Hill. "We need a sign that we have moved off of the pages of the September agreement and on to the ground of the Korean Peninsula. And we have always felt that as we move from that September agreement to the next phase, the next phase would in fact be implementation."

The six-party talks broke down only two months after the September 2005 accord, with North Korea refusing to return because of U.S. penalties leveled against a Macao bank, Banco Delta Asia, which the United States alleges was as a hub for illicit North Korean financial activity, including passing counterfeit U.S. currency.

The United States has said it is willing to deal with that issue in the six-party framework. Hill disclosed that in tandem with the opening of the nuclear talks, U.S. Treasury Department officials will meet with a North Korea team for a preliminary discussion of the Banco Delta Asia issue.

North Korea announced it would return to the six-party talks in late October, three weeks after it tested a nuclear device and was hit with U.N. Security Council sanctions.

Hill, under questioning, said no one accepts North Korea as a nuclear power because of the test and that Pyongyang should not expect that the detonation will bring it any more bargaining power at the six-way talks.

"I don't think they should be looking for anything additional as a result of this behavior, which after all is a behavior that has frankly speaking been a step back for the talks and has done some damage to the talks," he added.

"Again, I want to emphasize that what we are doing is implementing the September statement. So to suggest that they should get something else would be to suggest that we're going to change the September statement, and we're not going to do that."

Hill, the assistant secretary of state for East Asian affairs, said he would consult in Japan and possibly also South Korea before heading to Beijing Sunday.

He said all six parties would convene informally Sunday evening before the official opening of the new round on Monday.

The six-party talks, which have been underway - on and off - since 2003, include Russia, Japan and South Korea as well as North Korea, the United States and host China.


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February 10, 2007

SouthAmerica: Regarding North Korea’s current nuclear weapons program.

From the point of view of the Bush administration:

If the North Koreans don’t give up their nuclear weapons program then the Bush administration will not be able to harass the evildoers from North Korean with threats of military attack into their country and so on….as the Bush administration is doing today with Iran the second member of the famous “Axis of Evil” group that they created.

How the Bush administration can harass North Korea with military threats if North Korea continues to be armed with nukes?


From the point of view of the North Koreans:

If the North Koreans were on their right minds why would them give an inch in the nuclear armament negotiations to the 6 party talk?

They would have to be “brain dead” if they can’t see what the Bush administration is doing towards Iran – George W. Bush and his administration is beating the war drums once again – this time around against Iran - and they are following the same game plan that worked so well in their effort to start a war against Iraq.

The North Koreans should play hardball with the US and stall the negotiations every time they have a chance – and go back to square one and start all over again.

If the North Koreans can stall these negotiations for another 2 years – that would work for their advantage since they will be able to negotiate with the Al Gore administration which will be made up of people who can be rational and also have common sense.

The new Al Gore administration might go even further and they could make a major effort in helping both Koreas in their effort to reunite into one prosperous new country.

If I were on the shoes of the North Koreans I would not give an inch to the idiots of the Bush administration.


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