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North Korea's Nuclear Weapons
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Leave him alone. It's rude to intrude on someone else's dreams.
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Hapaboy: "Congratulations to Al Qaeda for acquiring a nuclear weapon."
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October 10, 2006
SouthAmerica: Osama Bin Ladden is a Sunni, and his organization âAl Qaedaâ is a Sunni organization.
Why you people canât grasp this simple fact?
Yesterday I was watching CNN News â and I was not sure if I was watching a news organization giving the news of the day to its audience or if I was watching a government propaganda channel.
CNN News moved its cameras to the Pentagon and its reporter from the Pentagon gave the American people the idea that the US is getting ready to attack North Korea because of its first nuclear test.
These silly people gave the appearance that the United States is at the eve of a nuclear confrontation with North Korea.
We have Morons not only running the US government today, but Morons also are giving misinformation and cheap propaganda for the American people â CNNâs coverage has achieved a new Moronic level.
I have no idea why a large number of the US population has lost its capability of reasoning and thinking about the most basic stuff.
First, North Koreaâs religions are traditionally Buddhist and Confucianist, some Christian and syncretic Chondogyo.
North Koreaâs âSunniâ population is about âZeroâ percent of the total population â by the way, Islam and Muhammad are not too popular in North Korea.
Many Americans are too thick to be able to connect the dots:
Hello, the lights are on, but is anyone home?
In a Nutshell:
Where Al Qaeda has the best chance of getting a nuclear weapon?
Here is a simple clue:
Osama Bin Ladden is supposed to be hiding in Pakistan. Al Qaeda is reorganizing itself on a safe haven in Pakistan. Osama Bin Ladden is considered to be a hero for a large portion of the Pakistani population and also to other Moslems in other parts of the world.
Osama Bin Ladden has influence even at the top levels of the Pakistani government and many Pakistani generals will do what they have to do to protect Osama Bin Ladden.
If they have a âcoup d'etatâ (the sudden overthrow of a government through unconstitutional means) in Pakistan â it is possible that a general with ties to Osama Bin Ladden and Al Qaeda takes over the government in Pakistan.
Pakistan has about from 80 to 100 nuclear warheads â and if Al Qaeda will ever be able to get one of these weapons â donât look further than Pakistan a Sunni state.
I understand this is a very hard stuff to Americans to âgraspâ:
1) Pakistan a Sunni state
2) For a long time Osama Bin Ladden and Al Qaeda has had a safe heaven in Pakistan
3) Pakistan with about 100 nuclear warheads also has senior generals on its armed forces that are sympathetic to Osama Bin Laddensâ cause.
And the United States government and the American mainstream media are afraid of North Koreaâs first nuclear weapons test.
I wonder what has happened to simple common sense.
Are we safer in the US today from another terrorist attack similar to 9/11? I donât think so when they canât connect the dots even with the most obvious stuff.
Iran (a Shiite country) and North Korea (a non-Moslem country â Sunni or Shiite) are not the potential suppliers of nukes for Al Qaeda.
The number one potential source of Nukes for Al Qaeda is "Pakistan."
End of the story.
Note: North Korea used Pakistan's know how during the process of building a nuclear weapon.
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JamesBond3rd: Leave him alone. It's rude to intrude on someone else's dreams.
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SouthAmerica: And I am the one who is supposed to be dreaming.
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Hapaboy: "Congratulations to Al Qaeda for acquiring a nuclear weapon."
*************
October 10, 2006
SouthAmerica: Osama Bin Ladden is a Sunni, and his organization âAl Qaedaâ is a Sunni organization.
Why you people canât grasp this simple fact?
Yesterday I was watching CNN News â and I was not sure if I was watching a news organization giving the news of the day to its audience or if I was watching a government propaganda channel.
CNN News moved its cameras to the Pentagon and its reporter from the Pentagon gave the American people the idea that the US is getting ready to attack North Korea because of its first nuclear test.
These silly people gave the appearance that the United States is at the eve of a nuclear confrontation with North Korea.
We have Morons not only running the US government today, but Morons also are giving misinformation and cheap propaganda for the American people â CNNâs coverage has achieved a new Moronic level.
I have no idea why a large number of the US population has lost its capability of reasoning and thinking about the most basic stuff.
First, North Koreaâs religions are traditionally Buddhist and Confucianist, some Christian and syncretic Chondogyo.
North Koreaâs âSunniâ population is about âZeroâ percent of the total population â by the way, Islam and Muhammad are not too popular in North Korea.
Many Americans are too thick to be able to connect the dots:
Hello, the lights are on, but is anyone home?
In a Nutshell:
Where Al Qaeda has the best chance of getting a nuclear weapon?
Here is a simple clue:
Osama Bin Ladden is supposed to be hiding in Pakistan. Al Qaeda is reorganizing itself on a safe haven in Pakistan. Osama Bin Ladden is considered to be a hero for a large portion of the Pakistani population and also to other Moslems in other parts of the world.
Osama Bin Ladden has influence even at the top levels of the Pakistani government and many Pakistani generals will do what they have to do to protect Osama Bin Ladden.
If they have a âcoup d'etatâ (the sudden overthrow of a government through unconstitutional means) in Pakistan â it is possible that a general with ties to Osama Bin Ladden and Al Qaeda takes over the government in Pakistan.
Pakistan has about from 80 to 100 nuclear warheads â and if Al Qaeda will ever be able to get one of these weapons â donât look further than Pakistan a Sunni state.
I understand this is a very hard stuff to Americans to âgraspâ:
1) Pakistan a Sunni state
2) For a long time Osama Bin Ladden and Al Qaeda has had a safe heaven in Pakistan
3) Pakistan with about 100 nuclear warheads also has senior generals on its armed forces that are sympathetic to Osama Bin Laddensâ cause.
And the United States government and the American mainstream media are afraid of North Koreaâs first nuclear weapons test.
I wonder what has happened to simple common sense.
Are we safer in the US today from another terrorist attack similar to 9/11? I donât think so when they canât connect the dots even with the most obvious stuff.
Iran (a Shiite country) and North Korea (a non-Moslem country â Sunni or Shiite) are not the potential suppliers of nukes for Al Qaeda.
The number one potential source of Nukes for Al Qaeda is "Pakistan."
End of the story.
Note: North Korea used Pakistan's know how during the process of building a nuclear weapon.
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JamesBond3rd: Leave him alone. It's rude to intrude on someone else's dreams.
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SouthAmerica: And I am the one who is supposed to be dreaming.
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^^Where did I connect Al Qaeda to North Korea?
And merely because North Korea is not Sunni or harboring bin Laden means it is not a threat?
Yes there exists the danger of a coup in Pakistan or a radical theocracy gaining power there. That does not in any way diminish the danger of a nuclear North Korea. In case you haven't heard, the leader of that country is content to starve his people to death in order to keep his military fed and his nuclear program on its feet. Yeah, he's nothing to worry about. "Congratulations" indeed.
Talk about nobody being home...
And merely because North Korea is not Sunni or harboring bin Laden means it is not a threat?
Yes there exists the danger of a coup in Pakistan or a radical theocracy gaining power there. That does not in any way diminish the danger of a nuclear North Korea. In case you haven't heard, the leader of that country is content to starve his people to death in order to keep his military fed and his nuclear program on its feet. Yeah, he's nothing to worry about. "Congratulations" indeed.
Talk about nobody being home...
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Hapaboy: And merely because North Korea is not Sunni or harboring bin Laden means it is not a threat?
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October 12, 2006
SouthAmerica: The truth is the Bush administration has been on the case of North Korea since they too power in January 2001.
If Al Gore had been the US president we would not have the mess that we have today regarding the US/North Korea nuclear crisis.
Around 2002 North and South Korea were taking steps to merge the two Koreas into one country. And that went against the policies of the Bush administration that wanted to keep the 50,000 American military people on the Korean Peninsula. (I guess to keep a watch on China.)
If the 2 Koreas had been allowed to merge then there would not be a reason for the US army to stay in the Korean Peninsula.
The Clinton administration was right in starting a close dialogue with North Korea â and if they were followed up by a Gore administration â I am sure that today we would be on an advanced stage regarding the merge of the 2 Koreas.
In the last 2 days I have been watching all that US government propaganda against North Korea on CNN News â people in South Korea burning the flag of North Korea, South Koreans stepping on the picture of the leader of North Korea, and so on.
The old archives come handy when you need some old films to make the case for possible war against North Korea. Most Americans donât realize that most the stuff that they are showing to the American audiences on television are old films from a time long gone.
But a picture is worth a thousand words. Repeat, and repeat the propaganda over and over again and the fools will believe on anything you are saying â even regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
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When Brazil magazine published my article "Brazil, North Korea and Food for Nukesâ on May 31, 2003 someone from Korea started a thread about my article on Brazzil Magazineâs Forum.
A few days after the thread was moving along the editor of Brazzil magazine sent me an email saying that someone had started a thread regarding my article. The discussion went on for a period of 2 years and the discussion did continued every time North Korea was in the news.
I started a thread about North Korea at the PBS web site in September 2004, and made a copy of the discussion that had been going on at the Brazzil magazine forum to eliminate a waste of time by having to repeat a lot of the discussion that we already had covered on the other web site.
You can see the discussion related to North Korea since May 2003 on the following location:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=10317&highlight=north+korea
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Today the Republican politicians and Republican spin-doctors are blaming everybody in sight about the nuclear crisis between the United States and North Korea.
They are blaming even General MacArthur, since under the command of General Douglas MacArthur the US forces could not win the Korean War from June 25, 1950 to a cease-fire on July 27, 1953.
It is General Douglas MacArthurâs fault that the US had to keep 50,000 Americans soldiers on the Korean Peninsula doing nothing since 1953 â the United States has been keeping 50,000 soldiers during over 50 years waiting for a possibility that war might break out at any time. (Never mind the costs related in keeping 50,000 soldiers just sitting around and waiting for a war that has never materialized - they have been waiting for over 53 years.)
Many American soldiers whom where in South Korea waiting for the war against North Korea to be restarted â many of them since that time have died of old age.
The United States could not beat North Korea in the 1950âs â I wonder why the Bush administration thinks that they can beat today a starving North Korea armed with nukes. Under the leadership of the Bush administration - these guys managed to make the US army look Pathetic in Iraq even against a bunch of insurgents.
Even the Israeli army did not look good against Hezbollah â all the Israelis could do was drop bombs from the air.
You can bet the North Koreans have been watching the US army fight in Iraq against the insurgency, and outsource the fighting in Afghanistan to other fools that they could find to do the fighting for them â and the fighting style of Hezbollah against an army from Israel armed with weapons a hundred times more powerful.
There is a lesson or two here that other countries have learned on how to fight the US army and the Israeli army and actually beat them.
The Bush administration is glad that North Korea has done this nuclear test right now since it takes the attention of the American people from the chaos in Iraq â In the meantime the situation in the Iraq sectarian civil war is getting worse by the day â and the US army has no other alternative other than serve as target practice for all sides involved in this very nasty sectarian civil war.
What is ironic about the Iraq war is that two major cowards â George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney (they were nowhere to be found during the Vietnam War) â today these two cowards are making the decisions about sending people to war and they donât think twice about sending someone elseâs kid to be slaughtered in Iraq.
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Hapaboy: And merely because North Korea is not Sunni or harboring bin Laden means it is not a threat?
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October 12, 2006
SouthAmerica: The truth is the Bush administration has been on the case of North Korea since they too power in January 2001.
If Al Gore had been the US president we would not have the mess that we have today regarding the US/North Korea nuclear crisis.
Around 2002 North and South Korea were taking steps to merge the two Koreas into one country. And that went against the policies of the Bush administration that wanted to keep the 50,000 American military people on the Korean Peninsula. (I guess to keep a watch on China.)
If the 2 Koreas had been allowed to merge then there would not be a reason for the US army to stay in the Korean Peninsula.
The Clinton administration was right in starting a close dialogue with North Korea â and if they were followed up by a Gore administration â I am sure that today we would be on an advanced stage regarding the merge of the 2 Koreas.
In the last 2 days I have been watching all that US government propaganda against North Korea on CNN News â people in South Korea burning the flag of North Korea, South Koreans stepping on the picture of the leader of North Korea, and so on.
The old archives come handy when you need some old films to make the case for possible war against North Korea. Most Americans donât realize that most the stuff that they are showing to the American audiences on television are old films from a time long gone.
But a picture is worth a thousand words. Repeat, and repeat the propaganda over and over again and the fools will believe on anything you are saying â even regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
****
When Brazil magazine published my article "Brazil, North Korea and Food for Nukesâ on May 31, 2003 someone from Korea started a thread about my article on Brazzil Magazineâs Forum.
A few days after the thread was moving along the editor of Brazzil magazine sent me an email saying that someone had started a thread regarding my article. The discussion went on for a period of 2 years and the discussion did continued every time North Korea was in the news.
I started a thread about North Korea at the PBS web site in September 2004, and made a copy of the discussion that had been going on at the Brazzil magazine forum to eliminate a waste of time by having to repeat a lot of the discussion that we already had covered on the other web site.
You can see the discussion related to North Korea since May 2003 on the following location:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=10317&highlight=north+korea
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Today the Republican politicians and Republican spin-doctors are blaming everybody in sight about the nuclear crisis between the United States and North Korea.
They are blaming even General MacArthur, since under the command of General Douglas MacArthur the US forces could not win the Korean War from June 25, 1950 to a cease-fire on July 27, 1953.
It is General Douglas MacArthurâs fault that the US had to keep 50,000 Americans soldiers on the Korean Peninsula doing nothing since 1953 â the United States has been keeping 50,000 soldiers during over 50 years waiting for a possibility that war might break out at any time. (Never mind the costs related in keeping 50,000 soldiers just sitting around and waiting for a war that has never materialized - they have been waiting for over 53 years.)
Many American soldiers whom where in South Korea waiting for the war against North Korea to be restarted â many of them since that time have died of old age.
The United States could not beat North Korea in the 1950âs â I wonder why the Bush administration thinks that they can beat today a starving North Korea armed with nukes. Under the leadership of the Bush administration - these guys managed to make the US army look Pathetic in Iraq even against a bunch of insurgents.
Even the Israeli army did not look good against Hezbollah â all the Israelis could do was drop bombs from the air.
You can bet the North Koreans have been watching the US army fight in Iraq against the insurgency, and outsource the fighting in Afghanistan to other fools that they could find to do the fighting for them â and the fighting style of Hezbollah against an army from Israel armed with weapons a hundred times more powerful.
There is a lesson or two here that other countries have learned on how to fight the US army and the Israeli army and actually beat them.
The Bush administration is glad that North Korea has done this nuclear test right now since it takes the attention of the American people from the chaos in Iraq â In the meantime the situation in the Iraq sectarian civil war is getting worse by the day â and the US army has no other alternative other than serve as target practice for all sides involved in this very nasty sectarian civil war.
What is ironic about the Iraq war is that two major cowards â George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney (they were nowhere to be found during the Vietnam War) â today these two cowards are making the decisions about sending people to war and they donât think twice about sending someone elseâs kid to be slaughtered in Iraq.
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Could have worn them and walked into Lebanese territory just like the Hamas suicide bombers...
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acronym: This is true.
But where the heck else, are they going to drop them from?
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October 12, 2006
SouthAmerica: The point that I am trying to make is that the Israeli army was not able to move inside Lebanon as they did on other prior wars. They had to do all the damage to Lebanonâs infrastructure from the air and they could not achieve their goal of disarming Hezbollah â the actual Israeli army fighting on the ground was having a very hard time fighting against Hezbollah, and Herbollah survived intact and stronger than ever to fight another day.
The same is true regarding the US army â they are very good regarding the air attack â with its Air Force or by using long distance missiles. But they are not good at confronting the enemy face to face.
Regarding World War II when you speak with any European who fought in that war they would tell you that the Russians did the real fighting against the Nazis and helped win that war. In the Pacific the war was resolved from the air in Hiroshima and in Nagasaki. (Most Americans today learned about WW II and got their perception regarding that war from Hollywood movies which glorifies American participation on that war, but that does not reflect what really happened in WW II according to the European point of view.)
In the Korean War, once again the United States could not win that war in a ground confrontation against the North Koreans. Never mind the Vietnam War since that war was a total fiasco for the USA.
The first Iraq War the United States once again destroyed its enemy from the air. In the second Iraq War look at what has been happening to the US army on a ground confrontation. The Iraqis learned their lesson, and in the second Iraq War their strategy was donât give much of a fight and let the fools occupy the country, just disappear into the population for a while, then return to fight another day and kill as many American soldiers as possible one at the time. Infiltrate everything that the occupying forces try to organize and destroy it from the inside.
The Iraqis had a very small army, just a leftover from the first Iraq War, and during the years between the 2 Iraq wars they had all kinds of sanctions against their country making it very hard to replenish their arsenal and fix the old armament. Iraq was a very weak country militarily when the US attacked it in March 2003. And they hardly put up a fight against the US armed forces at the time. The Iraqis knew that they could not win that type of war.
But a war of hit and run it is another thing â it did work in Vietnam, it did work for Hezbollah against the Israeli army, and it is working very well for the insurgency in Iraq.
If you read all the information on this thread regarding North Korea â then you would know that the Bush administration is completely discredited around the world regarding the US/North Korea nuclear crisis. The US couldnât beat a North Korean army before, and now the US can do even less against a North Korea armed with nukes.
The United States would not start a nuclear war against North Korea because North Korea is capable of dropping a nuke in the center of Tokyo, and that would cause a meltdown in the international financial markets.
Besides, China would not be happy to see a nuclear war happening on its doorstep.
The United States want to outsource to China any influence and clout in negotiating with North Korea, but the Chinese must be laughing behind close doors regarding what is happening between the United States and North Korea â Why should the Chinese do anything to help the United States when the current situation is showing to the world how impotent this supposed superpower is when it canât handle even a very poor and starving country such as North Korea?
And the United States has been doing everything on its power to undermine the North Korean government year after year.
I can see the Chinese government slapping the hands of North Korea in public, and in private say to them just keep up the good work.
North Korea is becoming the symbol of the rise of China as the main power in Asia, when the United States keeps begging China to do something about North Korea, and that is a clear sign of the decline of US influence in that area of the globe.
The fact that Taiwan has not taken the opportunity to declare its total independence from China also reflects the fact that China is the new superpower in that area of the world.
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acronym: This is true.
But where the heck else, are they going to drop them from?
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October 12, 2006
SouthAmerica: The point that I am trying to make is that the Israeli army was not able to move inside Lebanon as they did on other prior wars. They had to do all the damage to Lebanonâs infrastructure from the air and they could not achieve their goal of disarming Hezbollah â the actual Israeli army fighting on the ground was having a very hard time fighting against Hezbollah, and Herbollah survived intact and stronger than ever to fight another day.
The same is true regarding the US army â they are very good regarding the air attack â with its Air Force or by using long distance missiles. But they are not good at confronting the enemy face to face.
Regarding World War II when you speak with any European who fought in that war they would tell you that the Russians did the real fighting against the Nazis and helped win that war. In the Pacific the war was resolved from the air in Hiroshima and in Nagasaki. (Most Americans today learned about WW II and got their perception regarding that war from Hollywood movies which glorifies American participation on that war, but that does not reflect what really happened in WW II according to the European point of view.)
In the Korean War, once again the United States could not win that war in a ground confrontation against the North Koreans. Never mind the Vietnam War since that war was a total fiasco for the USA.
The first Iraq War the United States once again destroyed its enemy from the air. In the second Iraq War look at what has been happening to the US army on a ground confrontation. The Iraqis learned their lesson, and in the second Iraq War their strategy was donât give much of a fight and let the fools occupy the country, just disappear into the population for a while, then return to fight another day and kill as many American soldiers as possible one at the time. Infiltrate everything that the occupying forces try to organize and destroy it from the inside.
The Iraqis had a very small army, just a leftover from the first Iraq War, and during the years between the 2 Iraq wars they had all kinds of sanctions against their country making it very hard to replenish their arsenal and fix the old armament. Iraq was a very weak country militarily when the US attacked it in March 2003. And they hardly put up a fight against the US armed forces at the time. The Iraqis knew that they could not win that type of war.
But a war of hit and run it is another thing â it did work in Vietnam, it did work for Hezbollah against the Israeli army, and it is working very well for the insurgency in Iraq.
If you read all the information on this thread regarding North Korea â then you would know that the Bush administration is completely discredited around the world regarding the US/North Korea nuclear crisis. The US couldnât beat a North Korean army before, and now the US can do even less against a North Korea armed with nukes.
The United States would not start a nuclear war against North Korea because North Korea is capable of dropping a nuke in the center of Tokyo, and that would cause a meltdown in the international financial markets.
Besides, China would not be happy to see a nuclear war happening on its doorstep.
The United States want to outsource to China any influence and clout in negotiating with North Korea, but the Chinese must be laughing behind close doors regarding what is happening between the United States and North Korea â Why should the Chinese do anything to help the United States when the current situation is showing to the world how impotent this supposed superpower is when it canât handle even a very poor and starving country such as North Korea?
And the United States has been doing everything on its power to undermine the North Korean government year after year.
I can see the Chinese government slapping the hands of North Korea in public, and in private say to them just keep up the good work.
North Korea is becoming the symbol of the rise of China as the main power in Asia, when the United States keeps begging China to do something about North Korea, and that is a clear sign of the decline of US influence in that area of the globe.
The fact that Taiwan has not taken the opportunity to declare its total independence from China also reflects the fact that China is the new superpower in that area of the world.
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