I guess NK is justified for having something they can use that may prevent pre emptive strike by another nation.
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North Korea's Nuclear Weapons
- Thread starter SouthAmerica
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I guess NK is justified for having something they can use that may prevent pre emptive strike by another nation.
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tradermaji: However, US had opened the Pandora's box as it has developed and tested countless WMDs and even used WMD on a country in the name of saving US lives.
I think that gives other countries to develop weapons which they can say can be used to save their citizens' lives.
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June 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: It is OK for the US to do all kinds of testing with all kinds of weapons including â in the case of Nagasaki âthat test killedâ 115,000 people in Japan.
But is not OK for other countries to improve their defense systems and test it to see if their long-range missile system works.
Today, the US build it into a major crisis even though it is a simple test that the entire world knows that - it is just a test.
Maybe if I were in charge I would do the same thing to take the spotlight from the real problem â the nasty sectarian civil war that is getting completely out of control in Iraq.
And Afghanistan is not going according to plan either.
The best thing is to create a new crisis. But which crisis will play better with the domestic and international mainstream media to take the spotlight from Iraq?
1) The US/Iran nuclear crisis?
Or
2) The US/North Korean crisis?
***
Just a reminder:
Atomic Bomb # 1
Reason for dropping it in Hiroshima: to end the war in the Pacific.
On August 6, 1945 the nuclear weapon Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima by Enola Gay, a U.S. Air Force B-29 bomber which was altered specifically to hold the bomb, killing an estimated 80,000 people and heavily damaging 80% of the city. In the following months, an estimated 60,000 more people died from injuries or radiation poisoning. Since 1945, several thousand more hibakusha have died of illnesses caused by the bomb.
***
Atomic Bomb # 2
Reason for dropping it in Nagasaki: âJust a testâ to see if the other design of the atomic bomb also worked.
On 9 August 1945, Nagasaki was the target of the world's second atomic bomb attack at 11:02 a.m., when the north of the city was destroyed and an estimated 39,000 people were killed outright with another 75,000 believed to have died of bomb-related causes in the decades that followed.
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North Korea did not go âcryingâ to the United Nations when the US was making an environment mess in the Bikini Islands and testing all kinds of nuclear weapons during a period of many years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Island
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g222: The word "afraid" is your own interpretation â¦
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SouthAmerica: I donât see other countries around the world âcrying faultâ because of this minor North Korean missile test.
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g222: This guy buys weapons while his people starve and you feel he's capable of acting responsibly with a weapon like this ???
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SouthAmerica: What is your benchmark for government responsibility?
A US government immediate response and making all kinds of efforts in helping its own people after the Katrina catastrophe last year?
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g222: You seem to believe that just because a 30-year-old can drive a car and own a gun that a 5-year-old should as well.
Your rationale fails to consider the factor of 'responsible behavior'.
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SouthAmerica: I guess you are right on your analogy.
The 5-year-old has been irresponsible for many ways â Vietnam war, started a war in Iraq without a good cause, dropped a second atomic bomb in Nagasaki just to see if the other design of the bomb also worked well or which design was more efficient in destroying people and things, and so onâ¦..
(North Korea is a much older country than the US â in your example North Korea is the 30-year-old and the US is the 5-year-old)
You are trying to imply that the US has a history of responsible behavior when in fact the US is the largest arms dealer in the world â selling over 50 percent of the arms that are peddled around the world to the highest bidders.
I wonder how many American soldiers died over the years when these arms that the US sold in the international market were used against the American forces.
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g222: And it's also apparent that you feel quite secure within your current living envirnment ... as in ... whatever situations could be manifested as a result of these unstable people possessing these weapons ...
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SouthAmerica: Are they more unstable than the Bush/Cheney team?
I doubt that.
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g222: And if we didn't go to the UN but acted alone instead ... ???
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SouthAmerica: What do you think the US is doing in Iraq?
George W. Bush went to the UN and told them right in their face â the US does not need the UN â the US can do it alone.
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Conclusion: North Korea should go on with its testing of the long-range missile.
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tradermaji: However, US had opened the Pandora's box as it has developed and tested countless WMDs and even used WMD on a country in the name of saving US lives.
I think that gives other countries to develop weapons which they can say can be used to save their citizens' lives.
*********
June 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: It is OK for the US to do all kinds of testing with all kinds of weapons including â in the case of Nagasaki âthat test killedâ 115,000 people in Japan.
But is not OK for other countries to improve their defense systems and test it to see if their long-range missile system works.
Today, the US build it into a major crisis even though it is a simple test that the entire world knows that - it is just a test.
Maybe if I were in charge I would do the same thing to take the spotlight from the real problem â the nasty sectarian civil war that is getting completely out of control in Iraq.
And Afghanistan is not going according to plan either.
The best thing is to create a new crisis. But which crisis will play better with the domestic and international mainstream media to take the spotlight from Iraq?
1) The US/Iran nuclear crisis?
Or
2) The US/North Korean crisis?
***
Just a reminder:
Atomic Bomb # 1
Reason for dropping it in Hiroshima: to end the war in the Pacific.
On August 6, 1945 the nuclear weapon Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima by Enola Gay, a U.S. Air Force B-29 bomber which was altered specifically to hold the bomb, killing an estimated 80,000 people and heavily damaging 80% of the city. In the following months, an estimated 60,000 more people died from injuries or radiation poisoning. Since 1945, several thousand more hibakusha have died of illnesses caused by the bomb.
***
Atomic Bomb # 2
Reason for dropping it in Nagasaki: âJust a testâ to see if the other design of the atomic bomb also worked.
On 9 August 1945, Nagasaki was the target of the world's second atomic bomb attack at 11:02 a.m., when the north of the city was destroyed and an estimated 39,000 people were killed outright with another 75,000 believed to have died of bomb-related causes in the decades that followed.
***
North Korea did not go âcryingâ to the United Nations when the US was making an environment mess in the Bikini Islands and testing all kinds of nuclear weapons during a period of many years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Island
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g222: The word "afraid" is your own interpretation â¦
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SouthAmerica: I donât see other countries around the world âcrying faultâ because of this minor North Korean missile test.
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g222: This guy buys weapons while his people starve and you feel he's capable of acting responsibly with a weapon like this ???
******
SouthAmerica: What is your benchmark for government responsibility?
A US government immediate response and making all kinds of efforts in helping its own people after the Katrina catastrophe last year?
******
g222: You seem to believe that just because a 30-year-old can drive a car and own a gun that a 5-year-old should as well.
Your rationale fails to consider the factor of 'responsible behavior'.
*****
SouthAmerica: I guess you are right on your analogy.
The 5-year-old has been irresponsible for many ways â Vietnam war, started a war in Iraq without a good cause, dropped a second atomic bomb in Nagasaki just to see if the other design of the bomb also worked well or which design was more efficient in destroying people and things, and so onâ¦..
(North Korea is a much older country than the US â in your example North Korea is the 30-year-old and the US is the 5-year-old)
You are trying to imply that the US has a history of responsible behavior when in fact the US is the largest arms dealer in the world â selling over 50 percent of the arms that are peddled around the world to the highest bidders.
I wonder how many American soldiers died over the years when these arms that the US sold in the international market were used against the American forces.
*****
g222: And it's also apparent that you feel quite secure within your current living envirnment ... as in ... whatever situations could be manifested as a result of these unstable people possessing these weapons ...
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SouthAmerica: Are they more unstable than the Bush/Cheney team?
I doubt that.
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g222: And if we didn't go to the UN but acted alone instead ... ???
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SouthAmerica: What do you think the US is doing in Iraq?
George W. Bush went to the UN and told them right in their face â the US does not need the UN â the US can do it alone.
************.
Conclusion: North Korea should go on with its testing of the long-range missile.
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Quote from southamerica:
SouthAmerica: It is OK for the US to do all kinds of testing with all kinds of weapons including â in the case of Nagasaki âthat test killedâ 115,000 people in Japan.
HARDLY A TEST, IT WAS USED TO END A BLOODY WAR WAGED ON THE US BY JAPAN
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SouthAmerica: But is not OK for other countries to improve their defense systems and test it to see if their long-range missile system works.
IT IS OK, AND TYPICALLY OTHER COUNTRIES NOTIFY OTHER NATIONS OF THEIR INTENTIONS AND MISSLE TRAJECTORIES, UNLIKE NORTH KOREA
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SouthAmerica: Today, the US build it into a major crisis even though it is a simple test that the entire world knows that - it is just a test.
TO CALL IT A MAJOR CRISIS IS TO NOT KNOW WHAT A MAJOR CRISIS IS
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SouthAmerica: Maybe if I were in charge I would do the same thing to take the spotlight from the real problem â the nasty sectarian civil war that is getting completely out of control in Iraq.
THE CHINESE WOULD NEVER PUT YOU IN CHARGE, THOUGH I AM POSITIVE YOU WOULD BE A GREAT PUPPET FOR THEM
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SouthAmerica: And Afghanistan is not going according to plan either.
UN HUH, UH HUH
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SouthAmerica: Just a reminder:
Atomic Bomb # 1
Reason for dropping it in Hiroshima: to end the war in the Pacific.
On August 6, 1945 the nuclear weapon Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima by Enola Gay, a U.S. Air Force B-29 bomber which was altered specifically to hold the bomb, killing an estimated 80,000 people and heavily damaging 80% of the city. In the following months, an estimated 60,000 more people died from injuries or radiation poisoning. Since 1945, several thousand more hibakusha have died of illnesses caused by the bomb.
Atomic Bomb # 2
Reason for dropping it in Nagasaki: âJust a testâ to see if the other design of the atomic bomb also worked.
On 9 August 1945, Nagasaki was the target of the world's second atomic bomb attack at 11:02 a.m., when the north of the city was destroyed and an estimated 39,000 people were killed outright with another 75,000 believed to have died of bomb-related causes in the decades that followed.
CALL IT A TEST IF YOU WANT, BUT I THINK THE BOMB DROPPED ON NAGASAKI WAS DROPPED TO REAP THE SEEDS OF WAR THAT JAPAN HAD SOWED
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SouthAmerica: North Korea did not go âcryingâ to the United Nations when the US was making an environment mess in the Bikini Islands and testing all kinds of nuclear weapons during a period of many years.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NORTH KOREA HAS NO INTEREST IN THE ENVIRONMENT, MUCH LESS THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE BIKINI ISLANDS
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SouthAmerica: I donât see other countries around the world âcrying faultâ because of this minor North Korean missile test.
WRONG AGAIN, RUSSIA & JAPAN ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT EITHER
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SouthAmerica: What is your benchmark for government responsibility?
A US government immediate response and making all kinds of efforts in helping its own people after the Katrina catastrophe last year?
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I SUSPECT THAT 99% OF NORTH KOREANS WOULD RATHER LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS DURING THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE KATRINA, THAN IN NORTH KOREA, WE WILL NEVER KNOW SINCE NORTH KOREANS ARE CONFINED TO NORTH KOREA
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SouthAmerica: (North Korea is a much older country than the US â in your example North Korea is the 30-year-old and the US is the 5-year-old)
YES I SUPPOSE YOU ARE RIGHT, NORTH KOREA IS A WISE OLD NATION WITH A VAST LIST OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO HUMANITY, UNLIKE THE US
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SouthAmerica: You are trying to imply that the US has a history of responsible behavior when in fact the US is the largest arms dealer in the world â selling over 50 percent of the arms that are peddled around the world to the highest bidders.
WHAT ARE ALL THESE "OLDER" RESPONSIBLE PEACE LOVING NATIONS (LIKE NORTH KOREA) DOING, BUYING ALL THESE WEAPONS????
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SouthAmerica: Are they more unstable than the Bush/Cheney team?
I doubt that.
LOL HERE
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SouthAmerica: What do you think the US is doing in Iraq?
George W. Bush went to the UN and told them right in their face â the US does not need the UN â the US can do it alone.
AND BILL CLINTON DID AS WELL BEFORE HE AND NATO BOMBED SERBIA, YOUR POINT??
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SouthAmerica: Conclusion: North Korea should go on with its testing of the long-range missile.
AND IF IT GOES INTO, OR EVEN APPROACHES US OR JAPAN AIRSPACE IT SHOULD GET SHOT DOWN, BUT I AM DUBIOUS THE NORTH KOREANS WILL BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY TEST FIRE A MISSLE BY THEMSELVES
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June 24, 2006
SouthAmerica: But is not OK for other countries to improve their defense systems and test it to see if their long-range missile system works.
Nick Leeson Jr: IT IS OK, AND TYPICALLY OTHER COUNTRIES NOTIFY OTHER NATIONS OF THEIR INTENTIONS AND MISSILE TRAJECTORIES, UNLIKE NORTH KOREA
SouthAmerica: I wonder if the Soviet Union notified the United States and the other nations every time they tested some kind of long-ranging missiles or nuclear weapons.
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SouthAmerica: Today, the US builds it into a major crisis even though it is a simple test that the entire world knows that - it is just a test.
Nick Leeson Jr: TO CALL IT A MAJOR CRISIS IS TO NOT KNOW WHAT A MAJOR CRISIS IS.
SouthAmerica: It is a major crisis when US officials are calling for the US to shot down the long-range missile that North Korea is trying to test.
And some even crazier people are calling for the US to actually bomb the North Korean missile before the missile it is launched â creating a major US/North Korean crisis â and a preemptive act that can turn into another war.
Only fools would do that!!!!!!!!!
******************
SouthAmerica: Maybe if I were in charge I would do the same thing to take the spotlight from the real problem â the nasty sectarian civil war that is getting completely out of control in Iraq.
Nick Leeson Jr: THE CHINESE WOULD NEVER PUT YOU IN CHARGE, THOUGH I AM POSITIVE YOU WOULD BE A GREAT PUPPET FOR THEM
SouthAmerica: The Chinese donât need me for anything â they are a bunch of very smart people â Not only the Chinese from Mainland-China, but also the other over 60 million Chinese who live around the world in places such as Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, USA, and so forthâ¦.
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SouthAmerica: And Afghanistan is not going according to plan either.
Nick Leeson Jr: UN HUH, UH HUH
SouthAmerica: Things are going so bad for the USA in Afghanistan that Karzai â the fellow that the US installed into power in Afghanistan â wants the US to stop killing the Afghan people including the Taliban.
If that is not going wrong â then I donât understand the meaning of the word âWrongâ.
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SouthAmerica: Just a reminder:
Atomic Bomb # 1
Reason for dropping it in Hiroshima: to end the war in the Pacific.
On August 6, 1945 the nuclear weapon Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima by Enola Gay, a U.S. Air Force B-29 bomber which was altered specifically to hold the bomb, killing an estimated 80,000 people and heavily damaging 80% of the city. In the following months, an estimated 60,000 more people died from injuries or radiation poisoning. Since 1945, several thousand more hibakusha have died of illnesses caused by the bomb.
Atomic Bomb # 2
Reason for dropping it in Nagasaki: âJust a testâ to see if the other design of the atomic bomb also worked.
On 9 August 1945, Nagasaki was the target of the world's second atomic bomb attack at 11:02 a.m., when the north of the city was destroyed and an estimated 39,000 people were killed outright with another 75,000 believed to have died of bomb-related causes in the decades that followed.
Nick Leeson Jr: CALL IT A TEST IF YOU WANT, BUT I THINK THE BOMB DROPPED ON NAGASAKI WAS DROPPED TO REAP THE SEEDS OF WAR THAT JAPAN HAD SOWED
SouthAmerica: No one will be able to convince me that it was necessary to drop the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki â only 3 days after the first bomb was dropped in Hiroshima. (They did not have CNN satellite television 24/7 in 1945 and it did take time for the news to get around. And they did not give time for the Japanese to check the destruction caused by the first atomic bomb dropped in Hiroshima.)
The second bomb was dropped in Nagasaki as a test because the two bombs had a different design and they wanted to test which design created more destruction.
The USA killed over 115,000 people in Nagasaki in 1945 â mostly women, children, and senior citizens just to test a very destructive nuclear weapon.
There is no rational reason that I know of that could justify the dropping of the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki.
******************
SouthAmerica: North Korea did not go âcryingâ to the United Nations when the US was making an environment mess in the Bikini Islands and testing all kinds of nuclear weapons during a period of many years.
Nick Leeson Jr: I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NORTH KOREA HAS NO INTEREST IN THE ENVIRONMENT, MUCH LESS THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE BIKINI ISLANDS
SouthAmerica: It is not only the environment costs â the US displaced thousands of native people who lived on those Islands and the nuclear tests affected many of these native people.
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SouthAmerica: I donât see other countries around the world âcrying faultâ because of this minor North Korean missile test.
Nick Leeson Jr: WRONG AGAIN, RUSSIA & JAPAN ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT EITHER
SouthAmerica: Japan is worried about the test for obvious reasons and Russia is playing along because the US is asking them to.
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SouthAmerica: What is your benchmark for government responsibility?
A US government immediate response and making all kinds of efforts in helping its own people after the Katrina catastrophe last year?
Nick Leeson Jr: I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I SUSPECT THAT 99% OF NORTH KOREANS WOULD RATHER LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS DURING THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE KATRINA, THAN IN NORTH KOREA, WE WILL NEVER KNOW SINCE NORTH KOREANS ARE CONFINED TO NORTH KOREA
SouthAmerica: If you think that the New Orleans option after Katrina was an acceptable option â then you donât understand what really happened to the victims of that Hurricane.
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SouthAmerica: (North Korea is a much older country than the US â in your example North Korea is the 30-year-old and the US is the 5-year-old)
Nick Leeson Jr: YES I SUPPOSE YOU ARE RIGHT, NORTH KOREA IS A WISE OLD NATION WITH A VAST LIST OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO HUMANITY, UNLIKE THE US
SouthAmerica: I am not going to get in a pissing contest with you about which civilization is smarter older and so on. There is no point on that.
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SouthAmerica: You are trying to imply that the US has a history of responsible behavior when in fact the US is the largest arms dealer in the world â selling over 50 percent of the arms that are peddled around the world to the highest bidders.
Nick Leeson Jr: WHAT ARE ALL THESE "OLDER" RESPONSIBLE PEACE LOVING NATIONS (LIKE NORTH KOREA) DOING, BUYING ALL THESE WEAPONS????
SouthAmerica: I donât think North Korea has been buying armament from the United States.
But you can bet that most of the killings that goes on around the world in all kinds of conflicts and civil wars â in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, in the Middle East, in South America - they are using all kinds of armaments made in America.
*********************
SouthAmerica: What do you think the US is doing in Iraq?
George W. Bush went to the UN and told them right in their face â the US does not need the UN â the US can do it alone.
Nick Leeson Jr: AND BILL CLINTON DID AS WELL BEFORE HE AND NATO BOMBED SERBIA, YOUR POINT??
SouthAmerica: Why are you bringing Bill Clinton to the conversation about Iraq?
As far as I know Bill Clinton never went to the UN and disrespected the entire organization during one of his speeches - Bill Clinton was a gentleman and a real statesman respected around the world.
When George W. Bush went to the United Nations and gave his speech before he started the Iraq war â he looked more like a gunslinger from Texas than the President from the United States â and he insulted everybody in sight.
**********************
SouthAmerica: Conclusion: North Korea should go on with its testing of the long-range missile.
Nick Leeson Jr: AND IF IT GOES INTO, OR EVEN APPROACHES US OR JAPAN AIRSPACE IT SHOULD GET SHOT DOWN, BUT I AM DUBIOUS THE NORTH KOREANS WILL BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY TEST FIRE A MISSLE BY THEMSELVES
SouthAmerica: If I understand what you are saying correctly â then the North Koreans also have the right to shot down the US Spy airplanes that has been flying on their air space for the US to be able to spy on them â as they reported in the news today.
The North Koreans are aware of what the US is doing over their air space.
Your logic works both ways and I donât think the US Air Force would appreciate if the North Koreans also decide to destroy the American intruders spying in their air space.
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June 24, 2006
SouthAmerica: But is not OK for other countries to improve their defense systems and test it to see if their long-range missile system works.
Nick Leeson Jr: IT IS OK, AND TYPICALLY OTHER COUNTRIES NOTIFY OTHER NATIONS OF THEIR INTENTIONS AND MISSILE TRAJECTORIES, UNLIKE NORTH KOREA
SouthAmerica: I wonder if the Soviet Union notified the United States and the other nations every time they tested some kind of long-ranging missiles or nuclear weapons.
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SouthAmerica: Today, the US builds it into a major crisis even though it is a simple test that the entire world knows that - it is just a test.
Nick Leeson Jr: TO CALL IT A MAJOR CRISIS IS TO NOT KNOW WHAT A MAJOR CRISIS IS.
SouthAmerica: It is a major crisis when US officials are calling for the US to shot down the long-range missile that North Korea is trying to test.
And some even crazier people are calling for the US to actually bomb the North Korean missile before the missile it is launched â creating a major US/North Korean crisis â and a preemptive act that can turn into another war.
Only fools would do that!!!!!!!!!
******************
SouthAmerica: Maybe if I were in charge I would do the same thing to take the spotlight from the real problem â the nasty sectarian civil war that is getting completely out of control in Iraq.
Nick Leeson Jr: THE CHINESE WOULD NEVER PUT YOU IN CHARGE, THOUGH I AM POSITIVE YOU WOULD BE A GREAT PUPPET FOR THEM
SouthAmerica: The Chinese donât need me for anything â they are a bunch of very smart people â Not only the Chinese from Mainland-China, but also the other over 60 million Chinese who live around the world in places such as Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, USA, and so forthâ¦.
******************
SouthAmerica: And Afghanistan is not going according to plan either.
Nick Leeson Jr: UN HUH, UH HUH
SouthAmerica: Things are going so bad for the USA in Afghanistan that Karzai â the fellow that the US installed into power in Afghanistan â wants the US to stop killing the Afghan people including the Taliban.
If that is not going wrong â then I donât understand the meaning of the word âWrongâ.
****************
SouthAmerica: Just a reminder:
Atomic Bomb # 1
Reason for dropping it in Hiroshima: to end the war in the Pacific.
On August 6, 1945 the nuclear weapon Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima by Enola Gay, a U.S. Air Force B-29 bomber which was altered specifically to hold the bomb, killing an estimated 80,000 people and heavily damaging 80% of the city. In the following months, an estimated 60,000 more people died from injuries or radiation poisoning. Since 1945, several thousand more hibakusha have died of illnesses caused by the bomb.
Atomic Bomb # 2
Reason for dropping it in Nagasaki: âJust a testâ to see if the other design of the atomic bomb also worked.
On 9 August 1945, Nagasaki was the target of the world's second atomic bomb attack at 11:02 a.m., when the north of the city was destroyed and an estimated 39,000 people were killed outright with another 75,000 believed to have died of bomb-related causes in the decades that followed.
Nick Leeson Jr: CALL IT A TEST IF YOU WANT, BUT I THINK THE BOMB DROPPED ON NAGASAKI WAS DROPPED TO REAP THE SEEDS OF WAR THAT JAPAN HAD SOWED
SouthAmerica: No one will be able to convince me that it was necessary to drop the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki â only 3 days after the first bomb was dropped in Hiroshima. (They did not have CNN satellite television 24/7 in 1945 and it did take time for the news to get around. And they did not give time for the Japanese to check the destruction caused by the first atomic bomb dropped in Hiroshima.)
The second bomb was dropped in Nagasaki as a test because the two bombs had a different design and they wanted to test which design created more destruction.
The USA killed over 115,000 people in Nagasaki in 1945 â mostly women, children, and senior citizens just to test a very destructive nuclear weapon.
There is no rational reason that I know of that could justify the dropping of the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki.
******************
SouthAmerica: North Korea did not go âcryingâ to the United Nations when the US was making an environment mess in the Bikini Islands and testing all kinds of nuclear weapons during a period of many years.
Nick Leeson Jr: I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NORTH KOREA HAS NO INTEREST IN THE ENVIRONMENT, MUCH LESS THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE BIKINI ISLANDS
SouthAmerica: It is not only the environment costs â the US displaced thousands of native people who lived on those Islands and the nuclear tests affected many of these native people.
******************
SouthAmerica: I donât see other countries around the world âcrying faultâ because of this minor North Korean missile test.
Nick Leeson Jr: WRONG AGAIN, RUSSIA & JAPAN ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT EITHER
SouthAmerica: Japan is worried about the test for obvious reasons and Russia is playing along because the US is asking them to.
**********************
SouthAmerica: What is your benchmark for government responsibility?
A US government immediate response and making all kinds of efforts in helping its own people after the Katrina catastrophe last year?
Nick Leeson Jr: I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I SUSPECT THAT 99% OF NORTH KOREANS WOULD RATHER LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS DURING THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE KATRINA, THAN IN NORTH KOREA, WE WILL NEVER KNOW SINCE NORTH KOREANS ARE CONFINED TO NORTH KOREA
SouthAmerica: If you think that the New Orleans option after Katrina was an acceptable option â then you donât understand what really happened to the victims of that Hurricane.
**********************
SouthAmerica: (North Korea is a much older country than the US â in your example North Korea is the 30-year-old and the US is the 5-year-old)
Nick Leeson Jr: YES I SUPPOSE YOU ARE RIGHT, NORTH KOREA IS A WISE OLD NATION WITH A VAST LIST OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO HUMANITY, UNLIKE THE US
SouthAmerica: I am not going to get in a pissing contest with you about which civilization is smarter older and so on. There is no point on that.
*******************
SouthAmerica: You are trying to imply that the US has a history of responsible behavior when in fact the US is the largest arms dealer in the world â selling over 50 percent of the arms that are peddled around the world to the highest bidders.
Nick Leeson Jr: WHAT ARE ALL THESE "OLDER" RESPONSIBLE PEACE LOVING NATIONS (LIKE NORTH KOREA) DOING, BUYING ALL THESE WEAPONS????
SouthAmerica: I donât think North Korea has been buying armament from the United States.
But you can bet that most of the killings that goes on around the world in all kinds of conflicts and civil wars â in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, in the Middle East, in South America - they are using all kinds of armaments made in America.
*********************
SouthAmerica: What do you think the US is doing in Iraq?
George W. Bush went to the UN and told them right in their face â the US does not need the UN â the US can do it alone.
Nick Leeson Jr: AND BILL CLINTON DID AS WELL BEFORE HE AND NATO BOMBED SERBIA, YOUR POINT??
SouthAmerica: Why are you bringing Bill Clinton to the conversation about Iraq?
As far as I know Bill Clinton never went to the UN and disrespected the entire organization during one of his speeches - Bill Clinton was a gentleman and a real statesman respected around the world.
When George W. Bush went to the United Nations and gave his speech before he started the Iraq war â he looked more like a gunslinger from Texas than the President from the United States â and he insulted everybody in sight.
**********************
SouthAmerica: Conclusion: North Korea should go on with its testing of the long-range missile.
Nick Leeson Jr: AND IF IT GOES INTO, OR EVEN APPROACHES US OR JAPAN AIRSPACE IT SHOULD GET SHOT DOWN, BUT I AM DUBIOUS THE NORTH KOREANS WILL BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY TEST FIRE A MISSLE BY THEMSELVES
SouthAmerica: If I understand what you are saying correctly â then the North Koreans also have the right to shot down the US Spy airplanes that has been flying on their air space for the US to be able to spy on them â as they reported in the news today.
The North Koreans are aware of what the US is doing over their air space.
Your logic works both ways and I donât think the US Air Force would appreciate if the North Koreans also decide to destroy the American intruders spying in their air space.
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Quote from southamerica:
June 24, 2006
There is no rational reason that I know of that could justify the dropping of the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki.
How about killing as many Japanese as possible for terrorizing the world for the previous 8 years.
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But you can bet that most of the killings that goes on around the world in all kinds of conflicts and civil wars â in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, in the Middle East, in South America - they are using all kinds of armaments made in America.
Yeah, you're right on here ... the "American-made" AK47 - the most widely used military weapon in the world - is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. PULLEEEEEZE !!!
But this gets back to the responsibility thing. These weapons -regardless of their source - don't kill ... but those in possession of them make the decision to kill. By no stretch of the imagination have NK or Iran hinted at the slightest degree of trustworthiness that would make the world comphy with their possession of the 'toys' they seek.
SA ... you just learn your next door neighbor is a violent, irrational man who choses to spend money on expensive guns while his family wears goodwill clothes and survives on food stamps. He's always screaming at and threatening everyone in the neighborhood. Now you learn that he's just spent over $1000 for a 'street sweeper' and wants to test it out in his back yard ... to get the feel of it ... to learn how to rapid-fire it.
Now ... do you ask him to forego his 'test' and at the same time go and "cry" to the police, or do nothing and let him spray away ???
You are indeed right about the irresponsible testing by the US in the Pacific - as was the testing by France, the USSR and everyone else. But by your way of thinking, more wrongs by others make it right. Think about that.
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June 24, 2006
SouthAmerica: It seems to me that the US is backing down from blowing the North Korea long-range missile testing completely out of proportion.
Come on guys what is the big deal about this simple test?
The North Koreans are not going to attack the US with one or two missiles.
They are not fools!!!!!!!!!
But I still understand why the US needs this diversion to take the US public and international attention from the colossal mess in Iraq.
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âU.S. rejects launch of first-strike missile against North Koreaâ
By Glenn Kessler
The Washington Post â June 24, 2006
WASHINGTON â Senior Bush administration officials tried to ease tensions Thursday over a possible North Korean missile launch, playing down the idea of using the nascent missile-defense system and brushing aside a provocative proposal to launch a pre-emptive strike against the missile siteâ¦..
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June 24, 2006
SouthAmerica: It seems to me that the US is backing down from blowing the North Korea long-range missile testing completely out of proportion.
Come on guys what is the big deal about this simple test?
The North Koreans are not going to attack the US with one or two missiles.
They are not fools!!!!!!!!!
But I still understand why the US needs this diversion to take the US public and international attention from the colossal mess in Iraq.
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âU.S. rejects launch of first-strike missile against North Koreaâ
By Glenn Kessler
The Washington Post â June 24, 2006
WASHINGTON â Senior Bush administration officials tried to ease tensions Thursday over a possible North Korean missile launch, playing down the idea of using the nascent missile-defense system and brushing aside a provocative proposal to launch a pre-emptive strike against the missile siteâ¦..
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June 24, 2006
SouthAmerica: I wonder if the Soviet Union notified the United States and the other nations every time they tested some kind of long-ranging missiles or nuclear weapons.
I DOUBT IT SINCE AT THE TIME THE SOVIET UNION WAS ENGAGING THE US IN A COLD WAR, WHICH THEY STARTED AND LOST
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SouthAmerica: It is a major crisis when US officials are calling for the US to shot down the long-range missile that North Korea is trying to test.
And some even crazier people are calling for the US to actually bomb the North Korean missile before the missile it is launched â creating a major US/North Korean crisis â and a preemptive act that can turn into another war.
Only fools would do that!!!!!!!!!
ANOTHER THING A FOOL WOULD DO IS FIRE A MISSLE OVER A SOVEREIGN NATION, WITHOUT THAT NATIONS PREMISSION WHICH NORTH KOREA DID TO JAPAN A FEW YEARS AGO
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SouthAmerica: The Chinese donât need me for anything â they are a bunch of very smart people â Not only the Chinese from Mainland-China, but also the other over 60 million Chinese who live around the world in places such as Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, USA, and so forthâ¦.
YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT THE CHINESE DONT NEED YOU FOR ANYTHING, HOWEVER THE TERM USEFUL IDIOT COMES TO MIND
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SouthAmerica: Things are going so bad for the USA in Afghanistan that Karzai â the fellow that the US installed into power in Afghanistan â wants the US to stop killing the Afghan people including the Taliban.
If that is not going wrong â then I donât understand the meaning of the word âWrongâ.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE US PICKED THE WRONG GUY, TOO BAD THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN DESERVE BETTER THAN THE TALIBAN
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SouthAmerica: No one will be able to convince me that it was necessary to drop the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki â only 3 days after the first bomb was dropped in Hiroshima. (They did not have CNN satellite television 24/7 in 1945 and it did take time for the news to get around. And they did not give time for the Japanese to check the destruction caused by the first atomic bomb dropped in Hiroshima.)
The second bomb was dropped in Nagasaki as a test because the two bombs had a different design and they wanted to test which design created more destruction.
The USA killed over 115,000 people in Nagasaki in 1945 â mostly women, children, and senior citizens just to test a very destructive nuclear weapon.
There is no rational reason that I know of that could justify the dropping of the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki.
EXCEPT THAT IT WAS DURING A WAR
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Nick Leeson Jr: I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NORTH KOREA HAS NO INTEREST IN THE ENVIRONMENT, MUCH LESS THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE BIKINI ISLANDS
SouthAmerica: It is not only the environment costs â the US displaced thousands of native people who lived on those Islands and the nuclear tests affected many of these native people.
BACK TO YOUR FIRST POINT: I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NORTH KOREA HAS NO INTEREST IN THE ENVIRONMENT, MUCH LESS THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE BIKINI ISLANDS
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SouthAmerica: Japan is worried about the test for obvious reasons and Russia is playing along because the US is asking them to.
TWO OTHER NATIONS THAT ARE NOT PLEASED ARE SOUTH KOREA AND TAIWAN, THOUGH I SUPPOSE THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU. INFACT I SUSPECT THE ENTIRE FREE WORLD IS NOT HAPPY WITH NORTH KOREAS TEST FIRE OF A MISSLE. ONLY CHINA, NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONES PLEASED. SAD.
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SouthAmerica: If you think that the New Orleans option after Katrina was an acceptable option â then you donât understand what really happened to the victims of that Hurricane.
GIVEN THE SUFFERING OF THE NORTH KOREAN CITIZENS UNDER THE FIST OF THEIR DESPOTIC GOVERNMENT FROM FAMINE, DISEASE, AND OTHER ATROCITIES, I THINK THE NEW ORLEANS OPTION AFTER KATRINA IS NOT ONLY ACCEPTIBLE BUT PREFERABLE TO NORTH KOREANS.
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SouthAmerica: I am not going to get in a pissing contest with you about which civilization is smarter older and so on. There is no point on that.
FINE, THEN NAME ONE POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION OF NORTH KOREA TO HUMANITY. JUST ONE IS FINE.
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SouthAmerica: I donât think North Korea has been buying armament from the United States.
But you can bet that most of the killings that goes on around the world in all kinds of conflicts and civil wars â in Africa, in Europe, in Asia, in the Middle East, in South America - they are using all kinds of armaments made in America.
NO YOU ARE RIGHT NORTH KOREA DID NOT BUY ANY ARMAMENT FROM THE US, INSTEAD THE US GOVT (CLINTION ADMINISTRATION) GAVE THE NORTH KOREANS A NUCLEAR REACTOR, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF BARRELS OF OIL, AND SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF TONS OF FOOD. WITH THIS, THE NORTH KOREANS MADE AN ATOMIC BOMB, AND USED THE OIL AND FOOD TO FUEL THEIR ARMY TO ANTAGONIZE SOUTH KOREA AND FURTHER STARVE ON THEIR OWN POPULATION. AINT SOCIALISM GRAND.
YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION, WHAT ARE ALL THESE SUPERIOR, MORE MATURE, PEACE LOVING NATIONS DOING WITH ALL THE ARMAMENT PURCHASED FROM THE US?
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SouthAmerica: Why are you bringing Bill Clinton to the conversation about Iraq?
As far as I know Bill Clinton never went to the UN and disrespected the entire organization during one of his speeches - Bill Clinton was a gentleman and a real statesman respected around the world.
When George W. Bush went to the United Nations and gave his speech before he started the Iraq war â he looked more like a gunslinger from Texas than the President from the United States â and he insulted everybody in sight.
I MENTIONED CLINTON TO SHOW YOU THE PRECEDENT HE SET FOR US PRESIDENTS IGNORING THE UN. CLINTON THE GENTLEMAN AND REAL STATESMAN IGNORED THE UN'S DISAPRROVAL AND WENT AHEAD AND BOMBED SERBIA. IF BUSH IS A GUNSLINGER WHAT DOES THAT MAKE CLINTON?
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SouthAmerica: If I understand what you are saying correctly â then the North Koreans also have the right to shot down the US Spy airplanes that has been flying on their air space for the US to be able to spy on them â as they reported in the news today.
The North Koreans are aware of what the US is doing over their air space.
Your logic works both ways and I donât think the US Air Force would appreciate if the North Koreans also decide to destroy the American intruders spying in their air space.
NO I DONT SEE A MORAL EQUIVALENT BETWEEN A SPY PLANE AND A BALLISTIC MISSLE. BUT SPEAKING OF SPYING, I DO REMEMBER WHEN THE NORTH KOREANS SIEZED A US NAVAL SHIP IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS AND HELD THE CREW AND TORTURED THEM FOR A YEAR. MIND YOU THE US VESSEL WAS IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS.
ANYTHING ELSE SOUTH AMERICA? BECAUSE REALLY THIS IS TOO EASY.
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