Nobel Prize-Winning Economist Joseph Stiglitz says:

Quote from logic_man:




Now, since it's entirely impractical for either side of the political aisle to commit genocide on the other, the next best option is either federalism, where you live in your Democrat state, where you can tax yourself silly (and I'm sure you would) and leave me alone while I live in another state or two countries where we now have one. Of course, the obvious reason you people aren't advocating for that is because, deep down, you know who really are the productive in this country and it ain't the politicos, their scum-sucking hangers-on or their hapless welfare state clients. A "country" made up of Democrats only would look like the typical South American dictatorship model, with the self-proclaimed "beautiful people" making grand speeches and the urban proles who live the reality of shitty services and broken promises.


So true, deep down ever liberal even Stiglitz and Krugman know this is true.
 
Quote from logic_man:

A "country" made up of Democrats only would look like the typical South American dictatorship model, with the self-proclaimed "beautiful people" making grand speeches and the urban proles who live the reality of shitty services and broken promises.

Democrats socialize gains while Republicans socialize losses.

Neither of them socialize wealth and power.

Both models suck.
 
Quote from Covertibility:

From my post that originally had this chart - ronald reagan 100. now the truth. Then on the next page you reply with the idiotic answer showing you don't know how to read and interpret the graph, and I'm you still don't understand it now.

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Out of a recession, tax revenues can grow at the same pace but at a lower level - that's what the graph is showing. Tax cuts do not pay for themselves, they will create a budget deficit unless there are spending offsets!!!! If the tax cuts produced more revenue, the blue line would cross over the red line!!!!! This is basic logic.

There really is no reason why the world should have republicans. They are easily as worse if not worst than the Taliban. These people are like the Taliban but only dumber.

As I suspected another closed minded democrat who can't read charts or understand basic economics or business.

The blue line does not have cross over the red line for tax decreases to precede revenue increases. Please look at your chart. Understand it. Grasp the point of the blue line and what it represents.

See where it peaks around 1982... see it pop to new highs in 1984.
Guess what. That means tax cuts preceded an increase in revenue.
Your red line crossover is irrelevant to my point and our conversation.

Your graph makes my point...? Comprendo?


Tax cuts - can and did lead to increased revenue. Your chart provies it.

In fact along most of the revenue vs tax rate curve you would expect tax cuts to stimulate the economy and produce more revenue. More people working equals more people paying taxes and transacting. Now if the traitors in washington would stop spending.

In many circumstances if you have a budget problem... you should cut taxes (along most of the curve) and lower spending or cap spending where you are and let revenues grow to meet it.

Increasing taxes runs the heavy risk of destroying the economy and thereby decreasing revenue.

Which was stiglitz told you. austerity does not work.
 
do you realize convertibility was fooled by the red line. A red line which really served no purpose but to distract people from the truth of tax cuts.

that chart shows the deception of the party of the freeloaders. We have a chart which shows Reagan to be perfectly correct... And yet 99% of the media pretends tax cuts did not work by pointing to a red line which means nothing useful.
 
Quote from jprad:

Cutting taxes before cutting spending is irresponsible.

This is irrefutable.

Reagan was the most fiscally-promiscuous president of the 20th century, and we are still dealing with the ramifications.
 
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Democrats socialize gains while Republicans socialize losses.

Neither of them socialize wealth and power.

Both models suck.

True enough, but some things are matters of degree. Since the Dems have gone full-blown collectivist over the years, that makes the Republicans the lesser of two evils. Plus, the Republicans don't make as many promises as the Dems and, if there's one thing I can't stand, it's some slimy politician making promises, unless it's a promise to jump off the nearest skyscraper.
 
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This is irrefutable.

Reagan was the most fiscally-promiscuous president of the 20th century, and we are still dealing with the ramifications.

Not cutting spending is the crime. Right now the govt is spending so much they have the fed is buying the debt. Causing a 20% or more reduction in the value of the dollar. That means the gov't spending is a massive tax on those with savings and serious tax on those with jobs.

so you add state taxes, plus IRS, fico medicare, gas, sin taxes, electricity, phone, and all the other taxes up... it is just insane.

the problem is spending... we already have the shit taxed out of us. Taxing us more just would just cause those who generate jobs to leave and not generate jobs causing revenue to go down.
 
Both parties have lost their way, and are unlikely to figure it out until the voters themselves, who are even more lost and bordering on the irrational, figure it out.

That's how democracy works.
 
Quote from logic_man:

Since the Dems have gone full-blown collectivist over the years, that makes the Republicans the lesser of two evils. Plus, the Republicans don't make as many promises as the Dems and, if there's one thing I can't stand, it's some slimy politician making promises, unless it's a promise to jump off the nearest skyscraper.

Disagree. Democrats buy votes with promises of public entitlements while Republicans get theirs with legislative promises that benefit the corporate power base.

Both paths lead to the same end, the working class taking it in the shorts; ergo, both parties suck equally bad.
 
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