No way Obama wins a second term

Quote from drjekyllus:

huh?

Promising a end to the war is not an end to the war. Not only that he is escalating the war in Afganistan and there is no real plan there.

The Stimulus package has failed. He promised unemployment would not pass 8% and it has.

He has not closed Gitmo and it looks extremely unlikely his deadline will be met. Even if he closes it, he is still going to detain terrorism suspects indefinately so whats the difference. Even if they close gitmo they are going to continue the practices that are occuring at gitmo somewhere else. Whats the difference?

He has not passed healthcare. It was supposed to be passed by the August recess. It has not occured. Maybe you have not watched the news but there is major pushback against healthcare. Its not over yet, but it looks very possible he could fail on this. One other point to note. This bill is not universal healthcare. Even if he gets it through there will be 10s of millions uninsured.

He has also failed on the Cap and Tax which ain't going through.

He doesn't need 51 he needs 60. There are currently 60 in the Senate that caucus with the democrats but there are not 60 who will vote for Obamacare. That means there are members of his own caucus that think his plan is way over the top. Thats not good.


It appears the blind one is you.

Obama said we would be out of Iraq in 18 months,the legislation is passed,there is nothing for him to do

The stimulus has not failed,it was meant to kick in at the start of re election season.Whether you think it succeeded or failed,the fact is he got it passed,that is the point,that was his agenda

Gitmo and Iraq take time,what matters is the policy for gitmo to close and the Iraq war to end is set,that was his agenda

he said during the campaign he would escalate the Afghanistan war,and he has.Once again,he succeeded at his agenda
 
Quote from drjekyllus:


He doesn't need 51 he needs 60.


Doctor Howard Dean: Democrats only need 51 votes in Senate to pass health care reform


Doctor Howard Dean was a guest on Countdown last night and he made the point that I have made here previously: Democrats don't need 60 votes for cloture in the Senate to end a filibuster by Republicans of health care reform. Only 51 votes are needed in the Senate because the health care reform bill falls under the purview of budget reconciliation, thanks to the Rules Committee. 'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Tuesday, July 7:

OLBERMANN: [W]ith [Al] Franken now on the health committee, can Harry Reid—if he can‘t muster 60 votes for health care reform—are we sure that he can muster 60 votes to stop Republicans from filibustering health care reform?

DEAN: We don‘t need 60 votes from health care reform. All we need is 51. We have reconciliation. The Republicans made it really clear there‘s not going to be any kind of a bipartisan solution that‘s going to be any good. All of the demands that they made have essentially already gutted health care reform.

So, the real only solution here is to get to 51 votes. I don‘t think Al Franken went to the Senate to be a rubber stamp. I know the Senate‘s used to being a rubber stamp from when President Bush was around. But this Senate is not going to be a rubber stamp. They‘re going to do what they think is it right, and hopefully, that will be what the American people want.

OLBERMANN: You know, we talked about rubber-stampness last time, and obviously, Democrats got to where they are today by running a nationwide progressive agenda. What happens to the party now if Senator Reid and President Obama let a handful of so-called blue dogs hold that agenda hostage or even slow it down?

DEAN: Well, then there‘s trouble. We‘re going to lose seats in 2010 if we don‘t pass what the president said was change you can believe in.

You know, change—a little change is not change you can believe in.

You need a lot of change, and the president‘s delivered on that so far.

But the health care reform is his biggest—his biggest problem.

You know, the issue is not so much blue dogs running the show or whatever. The issue is people not having enough nerve, you know, not having enough spine to do the right thing. Look, this is a battle between the insurance companies and the American people. Seventy-two percent of the American people want a really good health care reform bill that includes their ability to choose between a public and private plan -- 72 percent.

So this change—this is not about being conservative or liberal. This is about whether you side with the insurance companies or whether you side with the American people, and it‘s as simple as that. And now, we‘re going to find out whether this is really change you can believe in or something else.

OLBERMANN: As you correctly point out, the public‘s always ahead of the media and the politicians on these things, and if the politicians and the media don‘t listen, they pay the price.

Sen. Harry Reid has purportedly instructed his lieutenants: "Forget the Republicans." They are obstructionists who only seek to preserve the status quo; they are not agents of change. Republicans will do everything in their power to obstruct the change that the American people have demanded with their votes in the past two elections. Their partisan goal is to embarrass President Obama with failure on health care reform, as they did to President Clinton. Any Blue Dog Democrats who want to side with Big Pharma and Big Insurance over the will of the American people do so at their own peril.
 
Quote from Aletheia:

Wow, another short bus response. Good boy!!!!

How much does Baron pay you to post on this website and generate "web-activity"?

Does it pay for your latte every morning on the way to school?
 
Quote from smilingsynic:

If (when) the economy turns around, Obama will cruise, like Reagan did in 1984.

The Democrats will probably lose some US House seats as well as some governors races in 2010, though.

In the long term, demographically, the Democrats look strong. The GOP, on the other hand, has rapidly descended into madness (birthers, deathers, gun-toting shouters, Orly Taitz).

We independents are not impressed.

Agreed 100%

But don't forget to add Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingram, and Mann Coulter to your list of lunatic fringe self-promoters in the GOP.

They will stoop to any level, including "eating" their own. Just ask John and Cindy McCain.
 
Quote from drjekyllus:

huh?

One other point to note. This bill is not universal healthcare. Even if he gets it through there will be 10s of millions uninsured.

He

You are right about that,But Obama has accomplished more towards universal health care then any other president.(And he has only been in office for 8 months)





HEALTH IN U.S. HISTORY

A look at the history of major health coverage initiatives by presidents:

1950: Harry Truman's proposal for national health insurance dies in Congress.

1965: Lyndon Johnson wins passage of Medicare and Medicaid.

1974: Richard Nixon's proposal to require employers to cover workers dies in Congress.

1979: Jimmy Carter's proposal for an employer requirement dies in Congress.

1994: Bill Clinton's plan, which includes an employer requirement, dies in Congress.

1997: Clinton and a Republican Congress agree to expand coverage for low-income children.

2003: George W. Bush wins passage of Medicare prescription benefit.

2009: Barack Obama proposes to cover the uninsured and contain costs.

Sources: Kaiser Family Foundation, Associated Press
 
Quote from John_Wensink:

republicans win unless it's palin in which case I would vote for hillary.

lol...palin MUST run.

she's the last, best hope on earth for ambitious incompetents.

i can't wait.
 
Quote from Wallet:

LMAO,.....If that were true he'd be backing the DNC.

No, closet queers back RNC...it's their base actually (Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, the guy with 3 failed marriages and no kids).
 
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