No such thing as current trend

Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Here's what you do-- Get on the wrong side of a non trend and then get back to me with the results. Thank you for your time.


not the point.

once you enter, ofcourse direction matters. prior to entry, does it??

surf:D
 
btw, the market is going to collapse and trend down for a while.

Quote from marketsurfer:

very true, very true---however, it does develop fodder for a current project.:D

surf:)



ps. plus it keeps one from being deceived by the market mistress.
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Here's what you do-- Get on the wrong side of a non trend and then get back to me with the results. Thank you for your time.

Absolutely. I have run many trade histories of commodities advisories. You almost always did considerably better rejecting trades against the prevailing trend.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

long term upward drift is different than trend.

seykota is correct in this regard.


surf

How is that different than trend?

Taken from dictionary.com

trend
–noun 1. the general course or prevailing tendency; drift:

trends in the teaching of foreign languages; the trend of events.



I'd agree that we are in a 20 year up trend. Buy, you cant lose.
 
I think all he is saying is that the past does not predict the future. If we knew (absolutely) the future, there would be no argument. Taleb calls this "epistemic humility", this comes in handy trading real dollars; has saved me a lot of cash and heartache. :)
 
""All methods of defining trends compare various combinations of historical price points. All trends are historical, none are in the present. There is no way to determine the current trend, or even define what current trend might mean; we can only determine historical trends."

I think this is inaccurate. Methods of defining trends compare combinations of historical price AND present price. You can also define them with future prices e.g. "This market is going to trend higher".
 
Quote from stock_trad3r:


look at the 20 year DOW chart and tell me there is no trend

I think you miss his point. He may concede that there *has* been a trend, but where is your evidence that there is a trend now?

Also if you chart the Dow in inflation-adjusted prices, you may reach a different conclusion.
 
Quote from Lights:

knowing this or arguing over semantics doesn't make you money in the markets

I disagree (except the semantics bit). A long-term drift will show itself in a pretty random way, whereas a trend is more stable and predictable. Examples:

An uptrend consists of higher highs and higher lows. An uptrend does not have periods where there are large price reversals significantly below prior major lows.

An upward drift can quite conceivably have large retracements below major lows. You could have ten years or flat or downward price movement, then another 10 years of extremely strong upward prices.

Looking at stocks, it is clear that there is not a long-term uptrend, especially not in real dollars (adjusted for inflation). 1932 lows decisively smashed any uptrend. The 1974 lows did the same (once you look at it in real dollars). The 2002/03 lows smashed the uptrend of the late 1990s.

If you had traded long stocks with a stop, you would have been stopped out during each of these periods.
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Here's what you do-- Get on the wrong side of a non trend and then get back to me with the results. Thank you for your time.

You mean like buying last Thursday (or even on Friday/Monday)? Or shorting the S&P when it made a multi-year high in July? The 2000-2003 bear market in stocks also had some of the fastest and biggest rallies in stockmarket history.

Fading trends can be a very profitable strategy.
 
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