Maybe he heard someone say "spark spread" once and just mangled it in the retelling? That's a thing in NG/electricity, just doesn't have anything to do with the conversation at hand.
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*No Risk* - Simply Short UNG, VXX, SDS and every other Constantly Decaying ETF
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Maybe he heard someone say "spark spread" once and just mangled it in the retelling? That's a thing in NG/electricity, just doesn't have anything to do with the conversation at hand.
Yeah, I know what a spark spread is. It just has nothing to do with contango and sure as hell has nothing to do with the VIX. LOL.
Most are either hard to borrow, or easy to borrow but expensive to do so. You have to also finance the hedge.
Some are very easy to short
LOL at these being no risk. That is NUTS. There is HUGE risk - shorting long volatility funds can go against you hugely when volatility whips up, as seen very recently. And you could easily be stopped out if you have more than a very small position in your portfolio. I'm talking going up like several hundred percent (and thus your account down several hundred percent) in the course of a few days.
LOL at these being no risk. That is NUTS. There is HUGE risk - shorting long volatility funds can go against you hugely when volatility whips up, as seen very recently. And you could easily be stopped out if you have more than a very small position in your portfolio. I'm talking going up like several hundred percent (and thus your account down several hundred percent) in the course of a few days.
People had pointed this out and what you said doesnt apply to ung kind of etf.
Saltynuts, you need to rein yourself in. You don't need to start and/or comment on every volatility thread.
LOL shut your face you troll.
Any update?
There are so many ETFs out there that seem to be constantly decaying towards zero. UNG, VXX, SDS come to mind immediately but there are like 20+ others. Why even bother trading when you can just short these ETFs and double your money almost every year.
Because they don't ALWAYS decay towards zero. They DO rise when volatility in the market rises just like what we saw on Feb. 5 of 2018 and trust me, that won't be the only and last time we see this. MORE are coming. Consider yourself warned. And many traders, during the most recent market correction, had their accounts wiped out clean in ONE day, erasing ALL of the profits that they have made from "doubling money almost every year". So trading in those ETF/ETN's is not as easy as "just short them". They decay over time but when they do rise occasionally, they rise BIG!! The problem is you just never know WHEN they are going to rise.
I also wonder how the SEC can approve such ETFs that have zero chance of making anyone any money if they hold it more than a couple of days. These are the riskiest "assets" on the planet right now. I also wonder if there are hedge funds out there that exclusively short these funds.
Because these ETF/ETN's are there for a different purpose, NOT for "buy and hold" investing. They are not as risky provided you know how to manage its risk properly. And yes there are hedge funds that trade them.
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