No "natural" herd immunity - multiple patients catch COVID-19 with symptoms a second time

Once again.... the issue with the five sailors is that they demonstrated SYMPTOMS TWICE. This means that their situation cannot be due to faulty testing. Either they are facing one of two scenarios (as explained by the military spokesperson):
  • They recovered from COVID-19 and then got re-infected.
  • OR the virus lay dormant for a period of time and then re-infected them.
Either scenario is quite concerning.... plus the number now being up to 14 sailors. If this happens to a 1.4% percentage (14 out of approx. 1000 infected) of a population -- it raises significant problems with public immunity and vaccination efforts.

Once again, you're unable to rule out them contracting another cold/flu virus that brought on symptoms similarly. Because, in your echo chamber, they only "had time" to contract one virus.
 
Once again, you're unable to rule out them contracting another cold/flu virus that brought on symptoms similarly. Because, in your echo chamber, they only "had time" to contract one virus.

Whatever your fantasy desires. Keep in mind that they both tested positive for COVID-19 and had symptoms the first time.
 
Whatever your fantasy desires. Keep in mind that they both tested positive for COVID-19 and had symptoms the first time.

Just means they had COVID 19. Doesn't mean anything else for sure. I'm willing to consider all possibilities. You're only willing to consider the one that says what you want it to say. That's the difference.
 
Once again.... the issue with the five sailors is that they demonstrated SYMPTOMS TWICE. This means that their situation cannot be due to faulty testing. Either they are facing one of two scenarios (as explained by the military spokesperson):
  • They recovered from COVID-19 and then got re-infected.
  • OR the virus lay dormant for a period of time and then re-infected them.
Either scenario is quite concerning.... plus the number now being up to 14 sailors. If this happens to a 1.4% percentage (14 out of approx. 1000 infected) of a population -- it raises significant problems with public immunity and vaccination efforts.
Policy should not be dictated on anecdotal outliers. Let me know when it's 1.4% of the entire infected population, then we have cause for some limited concern. Limited because the symptoms of reinfection in the case of these few sailors are so minimal.
 
Policy should not be dictated on anecdotal outliers. Let me know when it's 1.4% of the entire infected population, then we have cause for some limited concern. Limited because the symptoms of reinfection in the case of these few sailors are so minimal.

Which further suggests that this is something else and not a general re-infection by the exact same virus strain (as would be unheard of under normal circumstances). Occam's Razor, and all that.
 
Policy should not be dictated on anecdotal outliers. Let me know when it's 1.4% of the entire infected population, then we have cause for some limited concern. Limited because the symptoms of reinfection in the case of these few sailors are so minimal.

Science, medicine, and public health policy is driven by the characteristics of a disease. The public policy response would be different for a disease where 100% of the people do not acquire immunity and can easily get re-infected --- than it would be for a disease where no one gets re-infected after having it.

When above 0.3% or so of a population can get re-infected a second time it has science, medicine, and public health policy ramifications. The studies and papers that defined "herd immunity" based on the Baltimore measles epidemic discussed this in some detail.
 
Which further suggests that this is something else and not a general re-infection by the exact same virus strain (as would be unheard of under normal circumstances). Occam's Razor, and all that.

You do realize that for most diseases on the face of the earth; a small percentage of individuals can get re-infected a second time. As time goes on this probability of re-infection increases as immunity wears out. This is also why most people need vaccine boosters decades after they were vaccinated originally.
 
Science, medicine, and public health policy is driven by the characteristics of a disease. The public policy response would be different for a disease where 100% of the people do not acquire immunity and can easily get re-infected --- than it would be for a disease where no one gets re-infected after having it.

When above 0.3% or so of a population can get re-infected a second time it has science, medicine, and public health policy ramifications. The studies and papers that defined "herd immunity" based on the Baltimore measles epidemic discussed this in some detail.
According to whom? .3% of anything should not dictate policy and the fact that it might, or does, simply demonstrates the politics of it all. Doomers are chasing total immunity while calling it herd immunity. Goal posts continue to change. Political pure and simple. Ten days and the hysteria must end or be proved correct. Body count dictates everything at this point. No bodies piling up equals threat has burned itself out.
 
You do realize that for most diseases on the face of the earth; a small percentage of individuals can get re-infected a second time. As time goes on this probability of re-infection increases as immunity wears out. This is also why most people need vaccine boosters decades after they were vaccinated originally.

As time goes on. Not so soon after original infection.

And if this was indeed what happened, and a small percentage of individuals get reinfected so ridiculously soon, Captain Obvious is correct - this data is meaningless for policy creation and shouldn't even be shared as it is completely worthless outside of fear mongering, your favorite national past time.
 
No different than you projecting five sailors with supposed reinfection means everyone is subject to reinfection. We cannot wait for some silly miracle of "safe" to happen. We have a vaccine for the flu and it still kills 40K each and every year. We deal with it. No president Trump, there is no shutdown. It's been political from day one. We all know this.

We actually have the Iceland study showing only 50% of those infected have symptoms, no need to make shit up
 
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