A lot of lives have improved under Obama.Losing 800,000 jobs a month to 35 + months of job growth has improved lives,the stock market has improved the lives of many whose pensions are invested,people who couldn't get health care due to pre existing conditions lives will be improved,the troops who are no longer fighting in Iraq lives have improved,the families of 9-11 victims lives have improved knowing Bin Laden is dead etc
No intelligent person expects that their lives will get better under Obama
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I think welfare, foodstamps and Obama phones are about the only improvement in lives (of the won't work crowd).
And, Obama used $800 billion stimulus to pad the pockets of his donors. So, they certainly impoved their lives.
And, recessions will end on their own and it's not realistic to claim he provided any benefit to America from the bottom of the recession to the slow growth of today. (or negative GDP growth last quarter)
Obama has done little to nothing for the average American. Slow growth of the economy and exponential growth of welfare programs is NOT improvement in the lives of Americans.
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. Wise point.I don't like democracy
Stupid uneducated people have more babies than the educated ones
They raise their kids like themselves
If there is an election a stupid person's vote counts same as an educated person
As a result, stupid people have more weight in the elections.
It is obvious.
I wish there was a law for this like "stupid people can not vote".
But then how are you going to measure it?
Stupid uneducated people have more babies than the educated ones
They raise their kids like themselves
If there is an election a stupid person's vote counts same as an educated person
As a result, stupid people have more weight in the elections.
It is obvious.
I wish there was a law for this like "stupid people can not vote".
But then how are you going to measure it?
Obama is going to rule via executive order. With executive orders, he can do a lot(of damage) for the three years he has left but once he is out and the other party wins, everything will get reversed the first day in office of the new President.
Obama is not building a legislative legacy of any sort.
The Emancipation Proclamation was an Executive order. Had Lincoln not been able to get the Congress to convert it into the 13th amendment there is a good chance that the order would have not been renewed by President Johnson.
Obama is building nothing
Obama is not building a legislative legacy of any sort.
The Emancipation Proclamation was an Executive order. Had Lincoln not been able to get the Congress to convert it into the 13th amendment there is a good chance that the order would have not been renewed by President Johnson.
Obama is building nothing
1) 800,000 jobs were lost all of ONE month.. please stop repeating this obvious lie.
2) the 35 months of job 'creation' haven't even kept up with pop growth, which is why the participation rate is STILL lower than when obama took office AND it declined to it's lowest points after all of his bs job creation policies. lol
3) The stock market is going up because there is no where else to get a return, their money is still at risk and if there is a collapse before these people retire they're still fucked.
4) it's great that the minority of people with preexisting conditions lives got better, BUT they did so at the expense of everyone else. Yep, when insurance companies are forced to take on additional risk, they must pass that risk through to their existing customer base in order to keep margins in line.. meaning rates are going up on everyone else.
5) every American should be thankful that bin laden is dead and W deserves at least as much credit as obama.. more imo.
A few of us have already addressed that topic. There would be a couple of ways to tackle the issue. Firstly, anybody on unemployment, welfare of another form of public assistance would be ineligble to vote. Social security would be exempt, although the many dubious SS disability claims in recent years would be a difficult issue.
Where it all gets very tricky are federal employees or those employed in state govt's, etc, etc...Since the sheer number of employees that are either directly employed or indirectly employed by the largesse of federal spending, it makes it near impossible to overcome that voting bloc...unions, same exact problem.
No matter how you slice it, the "system" could remove a large percentage of the "gimme" crowd and still face enormous obstacles from the public sector crowd.
Labor force participation rates tell the real picture...Of course, one particiularly brain dead liberal around here (hint: he is in Canada), continued with the propoganda about the participation rate declining due to boomer retirees. In fact, it's just the opposite, almost all of the recent job growth (as anemic as it is) has been going to the boomer demographic AT THE EXPENSE of the recent college grads. (i.e. ZIRP and equity/housing losses forced them back).
The stock market reflation is the oldest trick in the book. It's laughable that we are on our third iteration of this in the past 12-15 years and we've got a first rate idiot such as Iceman buying into it hook, line and sinker. ZIRP and the incessant "extraordinary" measures to herd everyone back into risk assets HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ECONOMY!!!!, it's about excessive liquidity pumping and collusion to drive asset prices to all time highs and fuel the sheeple into more debt laden consumerism.
If people would stop with this bullshit left vs right, then maybe we could make some progress, but that seems utterly hopeless at this point.
At any rate, the quality of those jobs is pretty damn questionable to say the least. It's nothing more than politics. Who else remembers all the census hiring as some sort of circle jerk by the media and D.C. a few years back?