No federal Budget?

Trader666 · Jun 27, 2010

Quote from Jack Nestle:

In my opinion part of the problem we have in this country is that the vote of the leeches in our society count the same as the vote of those busting their a$$ 52 weeks a year. It doesn't seem fair to me that those who contribute to society (taxes, charities, etc) have their vote cancelled out by pathetic losers who exists solely on government handouts.

We all know which party those with the entitlement mindset vote for.

piezoe · Jun 27, 2010

Quote from Mav88:

Liberals will simply not accept any blame- it's an accumulation of bad republican laws that forces Obama to send medicaid through the roof.

The Li algorithm, Barney Frank saying nothing was wrong at Freddie in 05, the CRA, Greenspan... not of it matters, it was all republicans who are to blame for the housoing bubble and therefore the current democrats overspending.

This is inane, why bother, why don't you just admit that no matter what everything is the republicans fault. No need for further explaination.

Of course it is not all the Republicans fault. Both parties made serious mistakes and both were irresponsible. Frank was clearly remiss in not recognizing growing problems at the GSEs before he did. Sadly for the Republicans, however, the problems became acute during a Republican administration, and the quintessential Republican, Mr. Greenspan, played a major role -- he was the chief regulator who ironically did not believe in regulation. So naturally the Republicans, who eagerly embraced the Greenspan "doctrine," are going to be blamed, not entirely without justification, even though both Democrats and Republicans were too willing to ignore the warning signs and trust in Greenspan's insistence that markets, if left alone, will self correct.

The time for blaming Democrats is still ahead. They won't be able to get medical costs under control, thanks largely to the Republican's insistence on blocking the public option, and they won't be able to bring medicare costs under control either, thanks to the medical cartel. Furthermore, they will have no answer to the vexing problem of there being no money to pay back the Social Security Trust fund. We'll all be mad at the Democrats a few years hence.

In the meantime we are mad at incumbents and will do our best to throw them out in November, especially Democrats, who after two years of dropping money from the skies could not make unemployment go away. This will only make Senators and Congressmen less secure and therefore more populist than ever. That won't do a thing for fiscal responsibility.

Mav88 · Jun 28, 2010

The time for blaming Democrats is still ahead. They won't be able to get medical costs under control, thanks largely to the Republican's insistence on blocking the public option, and they won't be able to bring medicare costs under control either, thanks to the medical cartel.

dude, do you understand that the democrats had a congressional supermajority? Look at your thought process, you are actualy blaming republicans for Reid and Pelosi's inability to pass a bill that required no republican votes.

Remember Massacusetts? all the republicans fault I suppose that the people in a liberal state don't want this stuff.

piezoe · Jun 28, 2010

Quote from Mav88:

dude, do you understand that the democrats had a congressional supermajority? Look at your thought process, you are actualy blaming republicans for Reid and Pelosi's inability to pass a bill that required no republican votes.

Remember Massacusetts? all the republicans fault I suppose that the people in a liberal state don't want this stuff.

It takes two Houses to pass legislation.

It is rather obvious, isn't it?, that the Democratic leadership does not, or perhaps can not, exercise the tight lock-step control over their members as does the Republican leadership. You could not get all the Democrats in the Senate or House to agree on hardly anything, let alone something as contentious as a major health care bill.

I would rather herd Republicans any day over Democrats. At least all the Republicans are elephants. This is not true of Democrats. All of the "Democrats" from the Deep South are elephants too! Don't be fooled by their well-pressed donkey costumes. Look at Gene Taylor, for example. When, I ask you, is the last time he voted consistent with his donkey costume? Probably it was when the House passed a resolution honoring mothers on Mother's Day!

You're obviously a bright guy, so I know you are joking when you imply that Democrats should be able to easily pass legislation without Republican votes. That would only be true if all the Democrats were real donkeys.

wjk · Jun 28, 2010

From the election until recently, the dems had a supermajority. They needed republican votes for one reason only:

To blame them when they (and we the people) actually found out what was in the legislation they were voting on.

Mav88 · Jun 28, 2010

It takes two Houses to pass legislation.

It is rather obvious, isn't it?, that the Democratic leadership does not, or perhaps can not, exercise the tight lock-step control over their members as does the Republican leadership. You could not get all the Democrats in the Senate or House to agree on hardly anything, let alone something as contentious as a major health care bill.

I would rather herd Republicans any day over Democrats. At least all the Republicans are elephants. This is not true of Democrats. All of the "Democrats" from the Deep South are elephants too! Don't be fooled by their well-pressed donkey costumes. Look at Gene Taylor, for example. When, I ask you, is the last time he voted consistent with his donkey costume? Probably it was when the House passed a resolution honoring mothers on Mother's Day!

You're obviously a bright guy, so I know you are joking when you imply that Democrats should be able to easily pass legislation without Republican votes. That would only be true if all the Democrats were real donkeys.

sure, but that's a democrat problem. how is it constructive for you to blame republicans for it?

Mav88 · Jun 29, 2010

From the election until recently, the dems had a supermajority. They needed republican votes for one reason only:

To blame them when they (and we the people) actually found out what was in the legislation they were voting on.

We are only beginning to see the lies that was health care. Obama proclaimed we had to do it because it saved money. Now there was a piece of additional legislation shot down by democrats because it asked for more money for doctors.

So the piece of crap health bill is going to increase costs, already. When faced with their own lies so soon, they had no choice but to vote against it, especially in an election year.

zdreg · Jun 29, 2010

Quote from piezoe:

It seems you are hung up on this one person. He has disappointed me greatly as well. But to think that one person, the President, in this case, can by himself make much of a difference is probably expecting too much of him. There is a breakdown of government in both the executive and the legislative segments. These have to function together to make necessary changes in direction.

Obama does not believe in free markets he is a corporatist which is arguably a variant of being a socialist. price controls, currency devaluation and inflationary budgets are his stock in trade. historical examples are mussolini and juan peron.

piezoe · Jun 30, 2010

Quote from Mav88:

sure, but that's a democrat problem. how is it constructive for you to blame republicans for it?

You make a very good point! It was BOTH Republicans and Democrats that, for example, killed the public option on the Health care Bill. I think of it as being killed by the Republicans, I suppose, because they led a concerted effort to kill it by speaking with "one voice". But certainly, some Democrats can also be said to have killed it, and those were mainly the Democrats that tend to vote with the Republicans on quite a few issues. Some of the latter, Gene Taylor is the example I used, have close to a 100% Republican voting record on virtually all the more contentious issues. Consequently, I think of members like Taylor as Republicans, since that's the way they vote, even though they are nominally Democrats.