NLP...care to share?

[bundlemaker]

Quote from danielc1:

I did not mean 'act if' with the statement.

The NLP modeling process always start with what you believe is true in your live. That thought process is the result of your reality. Changing your reality start with adopting and changing your believes about something. Money, time or capability of what you are able to do, are all made up in your mind before materializing in reality. So " if you think you can, you can or when you think you can't you can't" is the basic principle why NLP exist in the first place.

The reason that NLP exists in the first place is that Richard Bandler and John Grinder were researching various therapuetic methods and discovered (uncovered?) consistant behavioral patterns of the practitioners that lead to consistant results with their clients.

I in no way disagree with your thoughts on how beliefs work, it's just not the "basic" or founding principal of NLP. If you don't believe me, why not contact Richard himself, he'll tell 'ya

Before it comes up, I'm stating categorically that I in no way wish to "convert" anyone to NLP. I only wish to share my experiences and knowledge of the subject with those who are interested and to correct any errors, intended or otherwise, regarding NLP. And, I welcome being corrected too, when done accurately, based on real information and not wishful thinking or assumption.

 

[Tradefox]

Quote from bundlemaker:

If you don't believe me, why not contact Richard himself, he'll tell 'ya

Sure and it will only cost you 5k to ask him yourself personally and then you will probably get some ridicules ambiguous answer in some altered voice to make you THINK he is DEEP and knowing.

LOL


Save your money.

I have spent lots of time with the NLP crowd and I am not knocking them but the MAJORITY need to fix THEMSELVES but they seem to ignore that and want to fix everyone else and in my 7 years of experience have shown very questionable results.

 

[Tradefox]

Let's try an NLP exercise shall we?

Let's start with a VERY easy beginner one.

Think of a GOOD child hood memory !

Now

Make that picture BIG and colorful and warm.

Now

Think of yourself in a difficult trade where you may exit too soon or the pressure is on and your unsure of what to do.

See that in your mind.

Now

Take the Good Childhood memory and overlap it onto the picture of the stressful trade!

Tada

Now your a better trader and you can handle trades easier...

LOL


Even though this is a VERY simple technique and a basic NLP exercise it really is this ridicules !!!

 

[Tradefox]

Listen it's not ALL bad and I am not knocking it completely but too many folks in it take it far too seriously and it's really just recognizing natural thought processes and then doing simple exercises to try and alter them and like I said the results I saw after 7 years of study where questionable at best.


I put it in the same category as acupuncture.


Sure it can be useful but it really depends on many factors (especially the practioner) and in my humble opinion it has lots of limitations.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from Tradefox:

Listen it's not ALL bad and I am not knocking it completely but too many folks in it take it far too seriously and it's really just recognizing natural thought processes and then doing simple exercises to try and alter them and like I said the results I saw after 7 years of study where questionable at best.


I put it in the same category as acupuncture.


Sure it can be useful but it really depends on many factors (especially the practioner) and in my humble opinion it has lots of limitations.

in my opinion and experience FOX, bandler's stuff works. however, i think he went off the deep end.

surfer

 

[Tradefox]

Quote from marketsurfer:

in my opinion and experience FOX, bandler's stuff works. however, i think he went off the deep end.

surfer

Just a little ... don't ya think ... :eek:

 

[Tradefox]

I will say this about Richard Bandler.

He is an very loving Father and Husband and his relationship with his wife and children is very deep and caring.

That is the one thing that I will always admire the most about him and he has my respect in that area of life and I will always wish them well as people and friends.



It still doesn't change my opinion of the usefulness of NLP though.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from bundlemaker:

The reason that NLP exists in the first place is that Richard Bandler and John Grinder were researching various therapuetic methods and discovered (uncovered?) consistant behavioral patterns of the practitioners that lead to consistant results with their clients.

I in no way disagree with your thoughts on how beliefs work, it's just not the "basic" or founding principal of NLP. If you don't believe me, why not contact Richard himself, he'll tell 'ya

Before it comes up, I'm stating categorically that I in no way wish to "convert" anyone to NLP. I only wish to share my experiences and knowledge of the subject with those who are interested and to correct any errors, intended or otherwise, regarding NLP. And, I welcome being corrected too, when done accurately, based on real information and not wishful thinking or assumption.

Bundlemaker,

I really know very little about NLP, but I do recall an earlier thread on it to which yu contributed a great deal of material that was very interesting. In particular, you outlined a process for reversing bad habits or counterproductive behavior. I wonder if you recall that and if you could repeat it? thanks.

 

[Enfinity]

Ross Jeffries found a very utilitarian application of NLP... HAHAHA! I first heard about NLP in reference to Jeffries and then did more reading from Bandler, Robbins, etc. The person that told me about Jeffries needed his system, not myself of course!

Like anything in life, if you plan and organize your thoughts you will be better prepared for whatever path you follow. NLP is helpful on many levels and successful people naturally display many characteristics of a master practioner without ever studying NLP.

 

[limitdown]

Quote from Tradefox:

Let's try an NLP exercise shall we?

Let's start with a VERY easy beginner one.

Think of a GOOD child hood memory !

Now

Make that picture BIG and colorful and warm.

Now

Think of yourself in a difficult trade where you may exit too soon or the pressure is on and your unsure of what to do.

See that in your mind.

Now

Take the Good Childhood memory and overlap it onto the picture of the stressful trade!

Tada

Now your a better trader and you can handle trades easier...

LOL


Even though this is a VERY simple technique and a basic NLP exercise it really is this ridicules !!!

ridiculous I think that's the word you were looking for, isn't it?

now,

that's much more better!!!!