NFL fans.. we have a PROBLEM!!!

Quote from jnbadger:

You would think so, but I have heard from many ex refs (talk radio. I don't know any) that it takes 20 years to become very proficient at it.

And in case you haven't noticed, the refs are getting worse as the season goes on.

The refs will suck through the entire year if the real ones aren't back.
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What is a "real" ref anyway? :)

These refs are experienced college refs the way I understand it.
they'll get it down

getting worse?? we're only 3 games into the season. At about 8 games let's see where they are.

20 yrs to get it right? Hope not that long to trade proficiently LOL
 
Ed Hochuli is a real ref. A division 3 college ref and a ref from the lingerie league are not real refs.

And yes, it takes a very long time to become a proficient trader. Nothing beats experience, in any profession.
 
Now I hear one of the refs in the end zone for that play was recently fired from the lingerie league. This is getting more and more comical.
 
Actually, I believe people are being a bit too hard on these guys, who I'm sure, are trying to do a good job.
Have any of you ever been a referee on any level for any sport?
I have.
 
I absolutely understand. I can't imagine how hard it is, and I agree.

But I am tired of feeling sorry for them.

If you hired a bunch of backup traders to run your portfolio because your rock stars walked out, and they messed it up to this degree and they lost you a ton of money due to outright ineptitude, would you be sympathetic?
 
Quote from denner:

I can't disagree with anything that you said. BUT, at the same time, I think this is poetic justice for Goodell. The guy has been running the league like a dictator for years now. He is arrogant beyond words. The whole tone of the NFL has been changing since he took over. Alot of the crap the past few years with the "illegal hits" was "pc" enough that the media let it slide and some of the media pundits were on board with the crap (nevermind that the union officials absolutely sucked at making those calls).

So now we have these third tier ref's making some shit calls...well, this will be the straw that breaks Goodell's back. The league needed a real issue to challenge Goodell's leadership and this is it.

Just as an aside, I do think the replacement ref's are in over their heads and have made some abysmal calls. However, we all quickly forget just how bad the regular ref's can be and often are. The number of spineless calls I witnessed the past two seasons as a result of Goodell's "pussification" of the league has made them almost as worthless.
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i'm with ya bro, the real refs do make bad calls but seriously what happened last night was unacceptable.. i just can't imagine the last call being made by the real refs. League pussification is also an undeniable reality, roughing the passer and hitting 'defenseless' players have been taken to the extreme and are anti football rules. They are also somewhat subjective and I haven't noticed ANY consistency among the replacements.
Quote from taclander:

I swore for a couple of minutes, one because my team lost, and two because Goodell hasn't fixed what has been an obvious problem that could change the course of the season for teams affected by horrible calls. Goodell has ridden the NFL gravy train, and he has made the NFL a fortune with most of his decisions. The "but" is, he is failing miserably on critical issues that may cost the NFL fans for awhile. He could have stepped up to the plate with the concussion issue and been a leader, but instead they have pussyfooted around, and now look like idiots who don't care. He allowed the issue to get out of control. The other big one was apparent last night as well as the last 3 weeks and preseason. I'd bet he could have settled and maybe gave a bit more to the refs, but instead he has allowed the game to fall apart. Yes, I said fall apart. Last night being another example. The refs had no control over what was happening at the end of the game, they were lost, and I am guessing afraid. A player is going to get hurt seriously as a result of this crap and the lack of control these guys have during the game.
I lost my love of everything pro sports awhile ago. Now I like to watch and enjoy the strategies and play, but I also love watching my kids games even more. I still swear and pitch a fit when the Packers, and Brewers are playing, but I walk away when it is over and am back to reality, unlike too many who think somehow this has an impact on their life after the tv is off.
Anyway, time to go swear at what is really important. All you a-holes on the other sides of my trades.:D
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I have nothing to do with football but it is the only sport that I really enjoy anymore and I would hate to see it completely ruined. Unfortunately this is what's happening and Goodell is mostly responsible. Every team is a bil $ organization and the league will always prosper, there is no need to change what's working. Sure there are little things here and there but to fundamentally change the game is stupid.. and that's exactly what goodell is doing. If the issue with the refs is actually performance then the league should offer bonuses or something for good performance assuming they want to punish poor decisions, i'm certain the refs have a price. I believe NFL refs are the lowest paid in major sports, and I'm not a pro union guy but the regulars are clearly, obviously, indisputably better than these chumps, so they are worth more. The point is that this should have been apparent in the preseason when things really don't matter - and fixed. This isn't baseball or basketball where you play a thousand games so one game is somewhat irrelevant.. every single game counts in the NFL.
Quote from jnbadger:

Ed Hochuli is a real ref. A division 3 college ref and a ref from the lingerie league are not real refs.

And yes, it takes a very long time to become a proficient trader. Nothing beats experience, in any profession.
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+1
 
Don't get me wrong, as a person who enjoys pro sports, some frustration is understandable.
I realize these guys are making bad calls.
But, with the "real" refs off the field, what are we to do?
I mean, until the commissioner and the refs reps reach agreement, should the season just be stopped?
Maybe that is indeed an option.
 
OK, no question the refs have been atrocious. Missed calls, bad calls, letting games get out of hand, etc.

That said, I think the league has the better side of the dispute. The refs are paid pretty handsomely for part time work. The pension issue can be finessed by changing it only for new guys. Few workers outside government even have traditionla pensions now, so I don't see the refs position as being very sympathetic. Obviously, they get some sort of compensation in lieu of the foregone pensions if they do away with them, but to insist on keeping an outmoded pension structure is not a winning argument.

The real issue is the evaluations and the concept of having more officials to bring in to replace those who have problems. They really don't want that, and I can see why, but I also see why it is a good idea.

The locked out refs had a lot of problems with bad calls and embarrassing mistakes as well. The problem is no one wants to give up a top flight position as a college ref for an NFL job that may disappear overnight. So the replacements are not the best available.

I don't know what the league can do under labor law about hiring permanent replacements. If they started doing that, the union would fol dimmediately. Guys like Ed Houchili love the limelight and would eat glass before giving it up.

The league could do more to help the replacement refs. For one thing, they could start handing out big fines to guys who are taking advantage of the situation and delivering cheap shots. There has been way too much of that, and it needs to stop.

There is one ironic side effect. Everyone is talking about the NFL, nonstop. It has crowed out politics, baseball, etc. It's all anyone is talking about, which the league has to like.
 
Ok, No he didn't have possesion. Finley came down with the ball and the Seahawk was touching him so he was down. After the fact grabbing the ball is no fact for possesion. The refs are contending as aprt of their contract dispute that they should not be evaluated..My guess is there is a middle ground, and it maybe money that they drop the issue or it requires end of season evaluation. The guys there now are failing in every game. This game just puts an emphasis on their failure.
 
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