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Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Obama is not centrist. His positions are standard issue liberal/left. I'm not saying he doesn't have a ton of appeal, just that when you see what he has actually supported, it is same old failed Democrat policies.
am not close enough therefore will take your word on it, but that's why i am pitching an Obama + McCain ticket... not an Obama + John Doe Dem tkt...

see, i don't believe in a wishy-washy type centrist "personality" + his sidekick... but in a team with 2 guys who can talk turkey, any time...

as for Libertarians, v.nice... like a lot of ppl on this board i've had my anar-cap days... u know, this stuff was invented long ago in Europe, before Ayn Rand and this total tosser Rothbart started getting some attention... only problem is, any such group of more than a couple hundred members invariably implodes under ego-type pressures... by construction... good luck with it if that's the foundation u want to rebuild America on, ala Ron Paul
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Im no Hillary fan but can somebody name me something meaningful Obama has submitted to the Senate? Does he have any bills, accomplishments? anything? Didn't the Dems. already go through this with Edwards? Unless im missing some important piece of leg???
 
refresh my memory plse, did Bush have anything to show? did he get elected? is this THE criterion that's closest to the american voter's heart???
 
Quote from 2cents:

refresh my memory plse, did Bush have anything to show? did he get elected? is this THE criterion that's closest to the american voter's heart???

Bush had been a successful governor of an important state, which is far more relevant to being chief executive than serving in the Senate. Voters tend to sense that as well, which is why sitting Senators are 0-41 since 1960 in presidential runs.

BTW, what has Hillary done in the Senate that was so important?
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Giuliani shows all the hallmark traits of the authoritarian.
He gets off on making rules for the sake of making rules, and then forcing others to obey (or else). He pursues persecution for its own sake, as evidenced by his witch hunt against Boesky & Milken. Giuliani selects human targets and then proceeds to hunt them down, scouring the books for obscure laws to use as ammunition. He especially enjoys enforcing drug prohibition- a nice fun way for any fascist to oppress others under the guise of 'enforcing laws'. Bar owners are another favorite target, and Guiliani is documented to have sent squads of literally dozens of his city goons to enforce obscure 'no dancing' regulations, 'inspecting' places of business with a fine tooth comb in order to 'find something' out of code, and then dishing out heavy penalties to the proprietors for the <b>sole purpose</b> of Giuliani's self-gratification.

People like him are only good for one thing: Restoring law & order where there is complete anarchy. He would have been useful in post-Katrina New Orleans, provided he be whisked away the moment the situation got under control.

Hapa, I could easily see guys like you putting this thug into the White House, but I'm warning you: If you make that mistake, you will regret it more than anything. And don't think; "I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about". Guys like Giuliani will always FIND something 'illegal' to hang you with, no matter how clean you think you are. If you support this fascist, you have no idea how big a mistake you'd be making. It would be THE END of the United States of America. I am <b>right</b> about this, and hopefully you won't have to find that out the hard way!

Yup,

People do not even realize that under Giuliani, the police force has an open ticket to do whatever they want. Whatever convictions for stepping over the line (like sodomizing innocents with broom handles) the police officers received, were all negated by Giuliani's pardons. The police can never cross the line under him. There were endless examples, there still are, since his legacy left a mark on the NYC police due to the people he put in power.

He is the ideal president for a police state, and that is exactly what's going to happen. It is unfortunate, but many blue states like him, so he has a good chance to win. Everyone is too confused by the headlines, but few want to do any real research.

The whole myth of cleaning up NYC and bringing back economic vitality is pure BS. The fact is that his "Broken Windows" tactic had little effect on the druglords and the gangs, who are too smart for that idiocy. It is the same movement that happened in LA around the same time. And the same thing that is happening in Baltimore right now. Taking those not economically viable anymore and locking them up in prison. No real police work, no attempt at economic revitalization of the blue collar work force, no effort at education or even infrastructure work. They let the global corps export the jobs and label the new unemployed as criminals and hoodlums.

I actually see a possibility of national detention and prison camps under his presidency. And that's scary.
 
Quote from 2cents:

refresh my memory plse, did Bush have anything to show? did he get elected? is this THE criterion that's closest to the american voter's heart???

Bush was VERY successful as Gov of Texas. Being a President's son didn't hurt either.
 
Quote from 2cents:

am not close enough therefore will take your word on it, but that's why i am pitching an Obama + McCain ticket... not an Obama + John Doe Dem tkt...
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Well, ignoring the fact that they have opposing views on just about everything, they are in different parties.

Besides, McCain won't take second fiddle to anyone. He'll be 72, and he wants to be Prez, not VP
 
Quote from Jayford:

Well, ignoring the fact that they have opposing views on just about everything, they are in different parties.

Besides, McCain won't take second fiddle to anyone. He'll be 72, and he wants to be Prez, not VP
they're doing a pretty good job at working together for guys who've got opposing views on just about everything... as to who's fittest to be Prez, lets wait & see...
 
How are they working together?

Haven't you heard what Obama has to say about mccain's war views?

Gimmie a break. Those two would NEVER be on a ticket together. A leftist war protestor with a Republican Hawk? Nope.
 
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