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Newt just managed to spin the "open marriage" thing into a positive.
- Thread starter Max E.
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Quote from Max E. Pad:
So should it not have been up to the media to determine the credibility of an ex wife FROM 15 YEARS AGO, and find some sort of proof before throwing out the accusation in a he said/shesaid in a presidential debate?
Yes, they should have done more homework first. But I would argue that there is no evidence in a case like this. The credibility of the accused is very well established on this topic, and it is well within his pattern of behavior.
Given what has already been verified about him, this isn't even shocking. It would be shocking and require more proof if we were talking about Rick Santorum.
What you are suggesting is that if something is done in private between two people, and there is no hard evidence like a third person or a recording, that the accuser doesn't have a right to be heard. You are correct in that the responsibility of the media includes investigation of both sides, and fair treatment. I disagree in that I think both sides are well known in this case.
Do you see me pursuing the story about how Obama blew some dude in the back of a limo on this site?
Quote from Brass:
I think it's fascinating how some of you guys defend on principle someone you well know and admit to be an asshole, but you don't ever extend the same courtesy to your own president. No agenda there, eh? Just selective righteous indignation.
Quote from Epic:
Yes, they should have done more homework first. But I would argue that there is no evidence in a case like this. The credibility of the accused is very well established on this topic, and it is well within his pattern of behavior.
Given what has already been verified about him, this isn't even shocking. It would be shocking and require more proof if we were talking about Rick Santorum.
What you are suggesting is that if something is done in private between two people, and there is no hard evidence like a third person or a recording, that the accuser doesn't have a right to be heard. You are correct in that the responsibility of the media includes investigation of both sides, and fair treatment. I disagree in that I think both sides are well known in this case.
Wait a minute. Are you saying she did not go on the record during her divorce hearing? And if not, why would she not tell this to the judge? Why would she leave this factual information out? And if it is on the record, can we please see that?
Quote from Brass:
I think it's fascinating how some of you guys defend on principle someone you well know and admit to be an asshole, but you don't ever extend the same courtesy to your own president. No agenda there, eh? Just selective righteous indignation.
Did YOU extend that courtesy when the media reported on Bush?
And for the record, I have never supported any of the outrageous claims about Obama from the right wing media. So you don't have a leg to stand on here. Unless you care to provide a specific example.
Also, the responsibility of the media isn't to avoid presenting any story that isn't 100% supported by hard proof. Their responsibility is to weed out obvious falsehoods and provide all of the known facts in a fair manner.
The courts take it from there. The major breakdown in this system isn't the media, it is the law stating that libel and slander does not apply to public figures. Newt should have the right to make his case, and sue the ex-wife if he feels it necessary.
The courts take it from there. The major breakdown in this system isn't the media, it is the law stating that libel and slander does not apply to public figures. Newt should have the right to make his case, and sue the ex-wife if he feels it necessary.
Quote from Brass:
Do I see you taking the accusers, some of whom are your own political friendlies right here at ET, to task as you are doing here in defense of Gingrich?
Yeah actually, you did see me do that.... Any more questions Einstien? Or is it time you admit that you have no clue what you are talking about?
Quote from Hello:
Every single person who questions Obamas Place of birth place at this point is retarded. Give it up already and quit embarassing legiimate conservaties. I really hope anyone left questioning Obamas birth place will wake the fuck up. There is no "grey" area. Please just shut the fuck up already, so that we have a chance at beating Obama in 2012.