Newt Gingrich: Democrats have no idea what demons they are unleashing

Arnie said:
You know, piehole I was about to "like" this post until the last 2 sentences. You lost all credibility when you imply that the US is at the extreme in capitalism. Ever hear of Social Security, Medicare/Medicade, etc...etc... etc...
In addition to entitlements above, there are 79 means tested welfare programs at the Federal level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States
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Can you name large industrialized nation that is more capitalist than the U.S.? If you can, then that nation would be a better example of the most capitalist nation.
 
piezoe said:
then why not pick one of those nations as your model for the most capitalists nation?
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I don't understand your argument.

Comparing a total economic failure (Venezuela) vs a 'most capitalist' country X (whichever it may be) as countries in the middle are better off? What is your point, that socialism works a little? (that is a rhetorical question). The more socialist a country the worse for its population in the long run, so being at the capitalist extreme is better.

But I agree with you though, for long-term sustainability, an economic system must have a way to look out for the poor and destitute. So we need to keep some socialism in the system.
 
Optionpro007 said:
I don't understand your argument.

Comparing a total economic failure (Venezuela) vs a 'most capitalist' country X (whichever it may be) as countries in the middle are better off? What is your point, that socialism works a little? (that is a rhetorical question). The more socialist a country the worse for its population in the long run, so being at the capitalist extreme is better.

But I agree with you though, for long-term sustainability, an economic system must have a way to look out for the poor and destitute. So we need to keep some socialism in the system.
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It's too complex for you. Let it go.
 
Poindexter said:
Newt Gingrich: Democrats have no idea what demons they are unleashing

A few weeks ago, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) wrote an article for Vox explaining the movement’s goals – to end capitalism and radically change America.

In normal times, the declarations of a fringe party and ideology in America would not merit much attention. However, these are not normal times. A new Gallup poll shows that 57 percent of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism – while only 47 percent view capitalism positively.

This pattern has been building for a while. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont took socialism mainstream in the party during the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. Since then, Democratic Party candidates have been increasingly attaching themselves to the ideology.

Most notably, a telegenic young member of the Democratic Socialists of America named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated a senior Democrat in New York City’s 14th Congressional District and has since been on a whirlwind media tour, spreading the gospel of socialism.

So the Vox article (or manifesto) is worth taking seriously. Reading it, I was struck by how remarkably honest it was.

The writer, Meagan Day, a member of the East Bay Chapter of DSA, explicitly debunks the apologists in the mainstream media trying to paper over the group’s radicalism.

Day quotes several prominent news “analysts” who argue that Democratic Socialism is just New Deal liberalism rebranded. She then dumps a bucket of cold water on them, writing that “in the long run, Democratic Socialists want to end capitalism.”

In fact, she writes that the liberal, big-government reforms the movement has chosen to rally behind in partnership with the Democratic Party are simply steppingstones to this eventual goal.

“Social democratic reforms like Medicare-for-all are, in the eyes of DSA, part of the long, uneven process of building that support, and eventually overthrowing capitalism,” she writes.

This explicit goal of ending capitalism makes clear what Ocasio-Cortez meant when she said cryptically in a recent interview, that “capitalism has not always existed in the world, and it will not always exist in the world.”

This is a clear threat to the system which has made us prosperous and the envy of the world, but I appreciate the honesty. Ultimately, the United States is a democratic republic.

If Day, Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders want to try and convince most Americans to end capitalism and embrace a planned, totally redistributionist economy, they are welcome to use the democratic process to do so. It is up to those of us who know better to convince Americans of socialism’s folly.

However, the second notable item in Day’s article suggests that Democratic Socialists don’t value democracy all that much. Day also identified herself as a staff writer at a New York-based, socialist magazine called Jacobin. In fact, several members of the Democratic Socialists of America are writers and editors at Jacobin magazine.

A magazine that would enthusiastically embrace this title is signaling that, like socialist movements of the past, the DSA is willing to drop the “democratic” part of its moniker and instead rely on the traditional method for socialist revolution – bloodshed, violence and tyranny.

The Jacobins were the most violent and radical political group of the French Revolution. Led by Maximilien Robespierre, the group responded to a growing backlash against the revolution by executing anyone their so-called Committee of Public Safety deemed insufficiently loyal.

The Jacobin clubs located throughout the country were used as a secret police force to root out dissent among politicians and the general populace alike.

Historian Timothy Tackett estimates that almost 40,000 people were killed under the Jacobin control of the French government. Many were beheaded by guillotine in a grotesque public spectacle after a show trial, and others were brutally executed with firearms.

In the case of one period in the city of Lyon, people were executed en masse by cannon fire. This period of carnage was known as the Reign of Terror.

A few years ago, Callista and I saw “Dialogues of the Carmelites” at the Washington National Opera. It is a moving, true story of the Carmelite nuns who refused to denounce Christ at the peak of the Reign of Terror. (The French Revolution was virulently anti-Catholic – many churches were closed and reopened as “Temples of Reason.”)

The nuns were beheaded for their unwillingness to denounce their faith. Moments before the guillotine dropped, they displayed the power of God’s love by singing hymns and renewing their vows.

A few years later we visited the Picpus Cemetery in Paris. It holds the graves of the martyred nuns and more than 1,300 victims of the Terror in a six-week period of 1794. It is a very sober reminder of what the Jacobins did during the Reign of Terror. It is not a record for which any American should advocate.

Christopher Hibbert’s “The French Revolution” contains more vivid details of the horrors the Jacobins inflicted upon the people of France. In one instance, he writes, “a woman was charged with the heinous crime of having wept at the execution of her husband. She was condemned to sit several hours under the suspended blade which shed upon her, drop by drop, the blood of the deceased whose corpse was above her on the scaffold before she was released by death from her agony.”

Make no mistake: This is the history of violent revolution, religious oppression, and dictatorship that Jacobin magazine, the DSA, and opportunistic Democrats are embracing – whether they know it or not.

Sen. Sanders, and more have recently shared articles from Jacobin magazine on their social media accounts. Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., once sent a Jacobin piece to everyone in Congress.

It is hard to imagine a modern-day Reign of Terror happening in America. But consider the recent phenomenon of outrage mobs on social media demanding people be fired and ostracized for expressing un-PC points of view.

Think about the left-wing activists taking over classrooms to prevent conservative voices from speaking. Think about the rash of people being attacked for wearing MAGA hats. Think about the violence of Antifa.

Perhaps it is not so difficult to imagine.

While I do not know Ocasio-Cortez, I have interacted with Bernie Sanders numerous times in my career. He is an earnest guy, and I seriously doubt he would countenance violence in pursuit of his socialist goals.

Sanders should keep in mind, however, that the Jacobins eventually turned on Robespierre (in fact they executed him). So perhaps Sanders and Democrats rushing to embrace Democratic Socialism should be a little more careful about the demons they are unleashing to win elections.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...-have-no-idea-what-demons-are-unleashing.html
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The Media for years has tried to allianate the people and the police from one other by pursuing a narrative that the police are racists and don't care about Black lives. Mistakes or worse were certainly made by the police, but many shootings that were justified were characterized as unnecessary. Is there a plan to create a breach of trust between the public and the police in order to ultimately create conditions where the police would be willing to follow orders over social or moral obligations?

The Media has a very strong anti-gun narrative. Although the real reason for gun confiscation by the powers that control the media has been beat to death by gun proponents, does not the attempt to alienate the police and the public from one another give the gun proponents arguments greater credibility to keep their gun?

Does the Predo Principle, where 80% of most things is achieved by 20% of the people imply Capitalism in a democracy is a inherently unstable system? In order for capitalism to work long term, it seems to need people to be hard working and follow moral principles. Christianity professed many principles for people to live by and to put community before oneself. Christianity is practiced less now. The media regularly attacks religion from jokes by comedians to attacks on football stars who publically support their religion. Phedophile priests should definately be called out, however.

The media from news organizations, certain comedians, many sitcoms, and a significant number of movies have influenced our culture in a negative way and attempted to repress communication between people by creating mistrust by the rich and poor, young and old, Conservative and Liberal, educated and uneducated, man against women, and white against color. The Media finest hits also include promoting Me-ism, ridiculing conspiracy theorists in order to cause people to automatically discredit those people who were questioning the changes being pushed on society and who said there is a centralized entity behind these changes. The Media has also promoted controlling conversations through political correctness. Now there is direct economic pressure on businesses who don't follow the media's directives, such as supporting Conservatives. We have seen social media censorship against the Conservatives by the very same people who used to argue for freedom of the press, or other forms of media, no matter what.

It always seems that the initiation of these counterproductive and society damaging ideas come from two sources: The Left and the Leftist part of the media.

After the Leftists gain complete power, do you think they will not entrench themselves permanently, like in Baltimore, MD for 150 years no matter how bad it gets there, or change laws to keep themselves in power like Harry Reid's nuclear option, or to take away our civil rights like the Governor of a US possession by using an impending hurricane as an excuse to disarm the local population and effectively denying people the right to protect their property from looters.

The is a clear pattern to breakdown our society by an entity that hates what The United States was about. Once this entity gains power is there really anyone so naive to think they are all of a sudden going to be nice? Does it not seem logical that in order for them to ensure they remain in power that a purge would be necessary? By the actions we have seen so far in the media and the violence of Antifa and intimidation tactics that is will only get worse when there are less constraints on them?

Those who believe in the ideals of the forefathers of the United States must make an effort to support those who put America first. We need to call out those who parrot anti-American narratives, educate the oblivious, and organize like minded people.

The entity, who has successfully blinded many of our fellow Americans, is stopping at nothing to ensure their takeover. We must stop at nothing to ensure they fail.
 
Arnie said:
The better question is why did you pick the US?
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Because it is the most capitalist of all the industrialized nations. All the others have more socialist elements than does the U.S., unless you include corporate welfare, which you may wish to do. Then the U.S. may be as socialist as Denmark, but on the other hand, you've then redefined socialism.
 
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