Hello, I am an U.S. (options) day trader, and I was hoping to tap the experience of similar traders with a couple tax questions. I'm not looking for binding, professional tax advice (I need to hire someone for that), I'm just hoping to check my methodology and research findings against people's experience. And this thread may help new, profitable day traders too.
I have traded short term options off and on, but for various reasons, this year my motivation, effort and YTD performance is substantially better. Suppose my day job salary (reported on W2) is x, it is quite possible I could gross multiples of x in trading profit this year 2016. So I'll have to consider the tax implications.
1. Do I have to pay estimated taxes? My reading of the IRS literature suggests that if the final tax owed is more than 10% different than the tax paid during the year, there could be penalties. I think the answer is yes, I need to pay estimated taxes during the year. (I had the foresight to move to a state that has no state income tax.)
2. How much to pay? According to my research, the IRS divides up estimated tax payment periods into four periods, ending in March, May, September and December. The 15th after that period ends, the estimated tax is due.
In concept, I need to calculate my capital gains during the period and pay estimated tax on the profits. Except, that for day traders, profit/loss may not be consistent. I may be profitable one period, and unfortunately lose money the next period.
To me, if the IRS insists I pay estimated tax during the year, the only way I can think of is, if I am profitable during a period, pay tax on that amount. If I lose money, pay nothing, then subtract that loss into any profits in future periods.
For example, if I am profitable $20,000 in the March period, pay taxes on that. Suppose I am down $8,000 in May, so pay nothing. Then in September, suppose I make $30,000. But subtract the $8,000, and calculate taxes based on a gain of $22,000.
Does this methodology make sense, do others use it?
3. Tax rate? There are actually several capital gains tax rates. If an asset is held short term, the profits (capital gains) is taxed at the rate of ordinary income.
All my trading is "short term", but with a wrinkle.
Most of my trading (so losses and gains) is done in section 1256 contracts, broad based index options. The capital gains on these profits has a preferential tax rate: 60% of the lower "long term capital gains" rate and 40% the higher short term capital gains rate (ordinary income.)
Does this mean that for tax calculation purposes, I need to separate my gains/losses into two buckets: one capital G/L bucket for section 1256 contract trading, and one G/L bucket for everything else (like equity options). Then calculate the tax for each bucket based on the bucket's specific tax rate?
4. Filing taxes. All options trading (capital gains/losses) is reportable on a Form 1099-B. Next year, the way things are going, I should have a very long 1099-B with hundreds of trades, and profits to report to the IRS. Do any of the popular online tax websites handle this situation more easily? If not, I'm just going to find a human tax preparer and hand him/her all of my paperwork.
Thanks in advance for any experience or insight.
Alan
I have traded short term options off and on, but for various reasons, this year my motivation, effort and YTD performance is substantially better. Suppose my day job salary (reported on W2) is x, it is quite possible I could gross multiples of x in trading profit this year 2016. So I'll have to consider the tax implications.
1. Do I have to pay estimated taxes? My reading of the IRS literature suggests that if the final tax owed is more than 10% different than the tax paid during the year, there could be penalties. I think the answer is yes, I need to pay estimated taxes during the year. (I had the foresight to move to a state that has no state income tax.)
2. How much to pay? According to my research, the IRS divides up estimated tax payment periods into four periods, ending in March, May, September and December. The 15th after that period ends, the estimated tax is due.
In concept, I need to calculate my capital gains during the period and pay estimated tax on the profits. Except, that for day traders, profit/loss may not be consistent. I may be profitable one period, and unfortunately lose money the next period.
To me, if the IRS insists I pay estimated tax during the year, the only way I can think of is, if I am profitable during a period, pay tax on that amount. If I lose money, pay nothing, then subtract that loss into any profits in future periods.
For example, if I am profitable $20,000 in the March period, pay taxes on that. Suppose I am down $8,000 in May, so pay nothing. Then in September, suppose I make $30,000. But subtract the $8,000, and calculate taxes based on a gain of $22,000.
Does this methodology make sense, do others use it?
3. Tax rate? There are actually several capital gains tax rates. If an asset is held short term, the profits (capital gains) is taxed at the rate of ordinary income.
All my trading is "short term", but with a wrinkle.
Most of my trading (so losses and gains) is done in section 1256 contracts, broad based index options. The capital gains on these profits has a preferential tax rate: 60% of the lower "long term capital gains" rate and 40% the higher short term capital gains rate (ordinary income.)
Does this mean that for tax calculation purposes, I need to separate my gains/losses into two buckets: one capital G/L bucket for section 1256 contract trading, and one G/L bucket for everything else (like equity options). Then calculate the tax for each bucket based on the bucket's specific tax rate?
4. Filing taxes. All options trading (capital gains/losses) is reportable on a Form 1099-B. Next year, the way things are going, I should have a very long 1099-B with hundreds of trades, and profits to report to the IRS. Do any of the popular online tax websites handle this situation more easily? If not, I'm just going to find a human tax preparer and hand him/her all of my paperwork.
Thanks in advance for any experience or insight.
Alan