New York Post Article - Is Trump Winning His Trade Wars?

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I'm still waiting to hear the left's 5 critical bullet points as to what they want. Something real basic and to the point no BS.

I won't claim to have "The 5" but here are 5.
-A health care system that provides affordable health care to every American.
-A robust environmental protection program that requires those who use the common air, water and ground as a dumping ground for the output of their industrial facilities pay for the use of our common air, water, and ground at the rate of the damage they cause and use the best efforts minimize death, disease, and suffering caused by that pollution. As a closely related corollary, a government that respects the scientific method seems to go without saying but apparently we have to say it.
-A place where you aren't discriminated against because of your national origin, religion, skin color, or sexual preference and we treat all humans with dignity regardless of if they are U.S. citizens, visitors, or even, "gasp", illegal migrant toddlers. Again seems to go without saying but now we're having to say it.
-Common sense gun control, and yes I grew up hunting and spent over 20 years in the service and can probably pretty confidently say I've fired an order of magnitude more rounds down range in my life than you have, so put the stereotype that just popped up in your brain right back down.
-An economy that allows the bottom 75% to accumulate wealth at a rate at least equal to the top 25% Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged as a teenager too and no, I don't "want to turn the U.S. into Venezuela", so again choke that response back.

I fully expect you will disagree with most of these goals, that's fine. To claim that they don't exist, however, is just absurd.

 

[Sig]

I want to respectfully push back on what I think is a very corrosive line of thinking if you let it get too far. I'm a former conservative, used to listen to Limbaugh, read all of Ayn Rand as a teenager, attended a service academy, 20+ years as an officer now retired, entrepreneur on my second successful startup....and what you would call a liberal Democrat. It's easy to paint a picture of those you disagree with as all vapid, stupid, freeloading, ignorant, young fools. This allows you to never try to understand those who hold viewpoints different than your own, to your own detriment. I don't want to "convert" you, I'd like to hear your ideas, which like mine are probably a mix of OK, good, and horrible and think we could all benefit from such an exchange. So I'd ask you spare a minute next time you paint those you disagree with using so broad a brush, that many of those people are highly accomplished Americans who have done a-lot for their country both serving and growing the economy and creating jobs, and maybe, just maybe, you could consider lending a little respect to them like people like me are willing to lend a little respect to you?

So this is hilarious. @ElectricSavant's response to this was to immediately block me. It's very illuminating how hard folks like him and @MarkBrown have built this "us good, them bad" world that is so fragile they effectively have to put their hands over their ears and scream "I'm not listening, I'm not listening" when you point out any disconfirming evidence that those they disagree with may not be the monsters they've convinced themselves they all are.

 

[newwurldmn]

Am I the only one that finds it funny how these tough, rural, supposedly self-made, self-reliant, master-of-my-destiny guys are rooting for a guy who was born into a family of city-slicker crooked business owners and was a millionaire by the age of 17 without lifting a finger. Basically born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Basically born with a solid gold toilet under his butt.

 

[newwurldmn]

So this is hilarious. @ElectricSavant's response to this was to immediately block me. It's very illuminating how hard folks like him and @MarkBrown have built this "us good, them bad" world that is so fragile they effectively have to put their hands over their ears and scream "I'm not listening, I'm not listening" when you point out any disconfirming evidence that those they disagree with may not be the monsters they've convinced themselves they all are.

I think it’s because they don’t want to admit the real reason they voted for trump. It’s in the definition of “America” and who constitutes an “American.”

 

[Palindrome]

I won't claim to have "The 5" but here are 5.
-A health care system that provides affordable health care to every American.
-A robust environmental protection program that requires those who use the common air, water and ground as a dumping ground for the output of their industrial facilities pay for the use of our common air, water, and ground at the rate of the damage they cause and use the best efforts minimize death, disease, and suffering caused by that pollution. As a closely related corollary, a government that respects the scientific method seems to go without saying but apparently we have to say it.
-A place where you aren't discriminated against because of your national origin, religion, skin color, or sexual preference and we treat all humans with dignity regardless of if they are U.S. citizens, visitors, or even, "gasp", illegal migrant toddlers. Again seems to go without saying but now we're having to say it.
-Common sense gun control, and yes I grew up hunting and spent over 20 years in the service and can probably pretty confidently say I've fired an order of magnitude more rounds down range in my life than you have, so put the stereotype that just popped up in your brain right back down.
-An economy that allows the bottom 75% to accumulate wealth at a rate at least equal to the top 25% Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged as a teenager too and no, I don't "want to turn the U.S. into Venezuela", so again choke that response back.

I fully expect you will disagree with most of these goals, that's fine. To claim that they don't exist, however, is just absurd.

SIG, These are excellent. I think some or most all people in the USA would agree with to a degree. It's a question of what is the priority and where to focus.

if the democrats could just market themselves better. The media makes them look like a mob of lunatics. I'm not saying democrats are a mob of lunatics, but they are being perceived poorly and are not focusing on the points you outlined...which are important points.

Also, most americans don't look at themselves as racists... so to hear we have a massive racism problem in america is insulting 95% of americans.

 

[Cuddles]

SIG, These are excellent. I think some or most all people in the USA would agree with to a degree. It's a question of what is the priority and where to focus.

if the democrats could just market themselves better. The media makes them look like a mob of lunatics. I'm not saying democrats are a mob of lunatics, but they are being perceived poorly and are not focusing on the points you outlined...which are important points.

Also, most americans don't look at themselves as racists... so to hear we have a massive racism problem in america is insulting 95% of americans.

Do you think racists see themselves as racist?

 

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SIG, These are excellent. I think some or most all people in the USA would agree with to a degree. It's a question of what is the priority and where to focus.

if the democrats could just market themselves better. The media makes them look like a mob of lunatics. I'm not saying democrats are a mob of lunatics, but they are being perceived poorly and are not focusing on the points you outlined...which are important points.

Also, most americans don't look at themselves as racists... so to hear we have a massive racism problem in america is insulting 95% of americans.

To be fair a few of the most vocal democrats (and republicans) are a mob of lunatics! It just doesn't represent most of the party (hopefully not republicans either).
Regarding the discrimination comment, three points worth considering, again you don't have to agree but I'll throw them out. First, it's a platform in every state and the national Republican party that we should actively discriminate against gay marriage, so there's that.
On the racism side there is the massive amount of casual racism especially young black men experience that you would be blown away by if you experienced it that the folks instigating it aren't even aware of. As an example, I recently sent 3 employees to get the same document notarized at the same place by the same person on different days. The white guy and white woman were in and out in 2 minutes, no questions. The black guy (engineering degree clean cut professional) had to spend 10 minutes explaining why he wanted this document notarized, was he qualified to fill the position listed on the document (none of their damn business!) and he's African so was genuinely mystified by this when relating the story, not complaining.... I'm sure the notary patted herself on the back of doing a good job of due diligence when she was really being racist as hell.
Finally, if someone on the left does something reprehensible I'll call it out as loudly as you do. The deafening silence to the "good people on both sides" comment along with a bunch of justifications as to why that wasn't an absolutely indefensible comment leads those of us on my side to question if the right, while maybe not racist themselves, are just fine with racism happening?

 

[themickey]

So this is hilarious. @ElectricSavant's response to this was to immediately block me.

I blocked you too because you appeared to want to argue for the pleasure of it all and twist words in order to win the fight. Some people can't be bothered with immature debaters.
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...ve-new-digital-tax.325570/page-2#post-4738366

 

[d08]

I am curious why "rooting" for a person with a personal upbringing which includes such things as those you've mentioned (sans the opinion-based adjectives) is detrimental, or makes a person not worthy of rooting for? My question is not political.

It's objectively not. But one would think Trump represents everything they hate in a leader.

 

[newwurldmn]

It's objectively not. But one would think Trump represents everything they hate in a leader.

Except he says he will do everything he hasn’t done in the past.... like a tele-evangelist.