Am I the only one that finds it funny how these tough, rural, supposedly self-made, self-reliant, master-of-my-destiny guys are rooting for a guy who was born into a family of city-slicker crooked business owners and was a millionaire by the age of 17 without lifting a finger. Basically born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
New York Post Article - Is Trump Winning His Trade Wars?
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You're better off speaking with a wall. You forget the key points with Trump supporters - facts, figures, logic or realism does not apply. Just cover your ears, open your mouth and start screaming void-of-meaning jingoistic slogans to whoever is around you.
Nice comeback, very constructive.
Let's be constructive then, enlighten the people who lean right.
In very very basic terms... what do you want to see? Couple very basic bullet points would be great.
In very very basic terms... what do you want to see? Couple very basic bullet points would be great.
You see, in the con's mind, hearing Spanish means illegal
I'm still waiting to hear the left's 5 critical bullet points as to what they want. Something real basic and to the point no BS.
I want to respectfully push back on what I think is a very corrosive line of thinking if you let it get too far. I'm a former conservative, used to listen to Limbaugh, read all of Ayn Rand as a teenager, attended a service academy, 20+ years as an officer now retired, entrepreneur on my second successful startup....and what you would call a liberal Democrat. It's easy to paint a picture of those you disagree with as all vapid, stupid, freeloading, ignorant, young fools. This allows you to never try to understand those who hold viewpoints different than your own, to your own detriment. I don't want to "convert" you, I'd like to hear your ideas, which like mine are probably a mix of OK, good, and horrible and think we could all benefit from such an exchange. So I'd ask you spare a minute next time you paint those you disagree with using so broad a brush, that many of those people are highly accomplished Americans who have done a-lot for their country both serving and growing the economy and creating jobs, and maybe, just maybe, you could consider lending a little respect to them like people like me are willing to lend a little respect to you?
The US stock market has been pretty choppy this year and responds badly to most of Trump's trade initiatives. The only reason it hasn't corrected on the trade news is the high levels of earnings of corporations and a decent domestic economy. Lower Asian markets reflect the punitive aspect of Trump's actions, but killing trade is not a zero sum game it's a negative sum game.
The trick here is if Trump's allowed to continue down this path he may unwittingly kill most of the economic growth in the US, damage numerous consumer markets for US based corporations, and the citizens of most of the world including your previous closest ally Canada will refuse to help you out. So the bottom could fall out of US stock markets. At that point, what do stock markets say about Trump's policies ?
Here in Canada there are a lot of people who won't buy American anymore whenever possible ( for example, I'm driving a Ford and will never buy a car from the big 3 US car makers again ). Trump has forced us to speed up the process of building pipelines to get our oil and mat gas to other international markets rather then sell it at a deep discount to the US. Up until Trump's election, most Canadians saw buying US products as being no problem we were in this together. That era is over we'll never trust your nation fully again.
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