Trump also said to inject disinfectant to cure covid, so I guess I wouldn't trust a single word coming out of his ass...
New York Flu vs CV
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Trump also said to inject disinfectant to cure covid, so I guess I wouldn't trust a single word coming out of his ass...
and for all those saying that the lock down did not save a single life: bullshit, before lock down the number of people infected and dying was increasing exponentially (for those lacking basing math, this means 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 and so on), after lock down the growth has become linear ( 1, 2,3 4, 5, 6, and so on) which makes all the difference.
If you don't get this single, simple, concept, whatever else you say has no importance.
And just in case someone should feel the need to talk about herd immunity, we are so very far away from that, as preliminary immunological test polling indicates, the most affected areas have at most 20% of the population that have been exposed to the virus. And I am referring to the very worst clusters like Lodi-Codogno where it all started in Italy
If you don't get this single, simple, concept, whatever else you say has no importance.
And just in case someone should feel the need to talk about herd immunity, we are so very far away from that, as preliminary immunological test polling indicates, the most affected areas have at most 20% of the population that have been exposed to the virus. And I am referring to the very worst clusters like Lodi-Codogno where it all started in Italy
That was one week ago. Needs to be revised:
In NYC: 2000 people die of Flu every year on average, Currently 12000 CV deaths
.Actually it was a 33% increase every day, which worked damn near perfect for about 2 weeks in the UK, This had stopped by the 6th April, only 6 days after lockdowns started with a 21day lag to hospital admission time.
The Dying is a % pretty much of the new admissions X days before, not sure how many on average so ?? X!
here below the graphic representation of the cases in the UK:
as you may notice the numbers starts to go down about 2 weeks after the beginning of lock down (March 23rd), so unless you think that that is just a coincidence, the lock down really made a significant difference in the progression of the contagion. if you look at other countries you will see this pattern repeated.
before lock down the number of infected and deaths doubled every 3 days now it is taking about 2 weeks to double these numbers, so this makes a huge difference in managing the pandemic by the health system
as you may notice the numbers starts to go down about 2 weeks after the beginning of lock down (March 23rd), so unless you think that that is just a coincidence, the lock down really made a significant difference in the progression of the contagion. if you look at other countries you will see this pattern repeated.
before lock down the number of infected and deaths doubled every 3 days now it is taking about 2 weeks to double these numbers, so this makes a huge difference in managing the pandemic by the health system
Lockdown? What lockdown? This whole notion is idiotic. People are packed like sardines everyday in NYC at grocery stores, costco, etc. NYC subways still running and packed at rush hour. Antibody tests are revealing that, with estimated 2.7 million infections in nyc. To know if "lockdowns worked" you'd have to know exactly what day the lockdowns were implemented and to what extent. Then you'd also have to know when this virus was first here, which is just a guess. Jan? Dec? Nov? All these models are too simplisitc, and were dead wrong every step of the way. The models that were saying we'd have 2 million dead, then 1 mil then 200k then 100k then 60k all assumed social distancing and lockdown measures.
At the end, this will just be the flu. All the snarky smart ass immunology experts on ET will be proven wrong. Stop it with your doomer nonsense. None of it is coming true.
Also, is the goal to flatten the curve or no new infections? Because people who haven't been infected will be infected regardless when we open up. Vaccine is still 2 years away. NYC death rate is now estimated to be .5%, down from 3.5%. Just admit we fucked the economy for a bad flu season.
Also, go check reports by doctors how they are being pressured to write covid on death certificates, when cause of death isn't so simple to determine. You go to the hospital for anything, a good percentage will catch covid. Death numbers are inflated since they also include all assumed cases. Dying with covid vs dying from covid.
At the end, this will just be the flu. All the snarky smart ass immunology experts on ET will be proven wrong. Stop it with your doomer nonsense. None of it is coming true.
Also, is the goal to flatten the curve or no new infections? Because people who haven't been infected will be infected regardless when we open up. Vaccine is still 2 years away. NYC death rate is now estimated to be .5%, down from 3.5%. Just admit we fucked the economy for a bad flu season.
Also, go check reports by doctors how they are being pressured to write covid on death certificates, when cause of death isn't so simple to determine. You go to the hospital for anything, a good percentage will catch covid. Death numbers are inflated since they also include all assumed cases. Dying with covid vs dying from covid.
Actually it is the opposite, I know for sure that in Italy and UK the death attributed to covid are way less then the actual deaths excess compared to the previous years. They may not all be due to covid directly but when the health system is overburdened by unmanageable influx of patients people die in excess. This happened in Italy, in Spain, it is happening in the UK and I am pretty sure it happened in NY. without the social distancing measures the toll would have been much higher.
Just today a study was published in Italy that indicated that without the lock down measures there would have been 600K cases of covid and over 200K people hospitalized by the end of March in Italy alone.
so, go on with your beliefs that are found in wishful thinking and inject yourself with disinfectant...
Just today a study was published in Italy that indicated that without the lock down measures there would have been 600K cases of covid and over 200K people hospitalized by the end of March in Italy alone.
so, go on with your beliefs that are found in wishful thinking and inject yourself with disinfectant...
ah, also, people will keep get infected and dying in the coming months as the covid will not miraculously disappear, but the will stand a better chance of survival because the health system will be able to care for them and hopefully the studies of therapeutically protocols that are being carried out will deliver tested treatment protocols (no chlorochine self somministration needed)
This is a tired argument. I live in nyc. None of the makeshift hospitals saw a single patient. Even then, let's ignore nyc for a second. For the rest of the country, hospitals are completely empty with furloughed nurses. The rest of the economy should have been opened up weeks ago. We had the data. Forget the retarded models. To model everything after NYC is such a huge mistake. Even today, people in other states are being fined or arrested for not following social distancing guidelines. Even today the media and virtue signaling idiots are telling other states to not open up.