New York Flu vs CV

[Turveyd]

It's banned here as well, but - do i/we have to listen to it ?

Even the police would show up, i could act as a fool to avoid the fine and talk it out.
And if one fails, and fine has to paid, it's not that big.

Not allowed to drive to the hills for a walk here, anything other than essential.

I carry food make out, delivering to old person incase pulled, no police around thankfully but still if caught only a £30 fine first time, so no biggy.

Excersize gets banned, 5min sprint with lights off to the canal, then canal and back roads to local hills night time only, but no bugger will see me

 

[luisHK]

Wonder if any Swedes on here. I keep seeing articles and talking about how it’s not business as usual. Plenty of things are shut down and unemployment is higher than 2008 already.

So whose telling the real story.

Checked again, it appears I had the same new numbers in mind, but would have guessed the unemployment had been higher in 2008 if it was below the 9% Sweden expects to reach this year. Not sure how it compares to its Northern neighbours, but that´s much better than what Southern european countries and the US is expecting

https://www.thelocal.se/20200331/ha...ected-in-sweden-due-to-the-coronavirus-crisis

 

[Turveyd]

Issues are wearing bikes out.

Managed to service and get road bike running well so likely got 1000miles before needing parts, maybe front pads can get online.

Mountain Bike on the other hand, is starting to need money spending on it, had it 18months haven't had to spend anything yet but need new drive train which these days expensive and hard to get Then I'm screwed

 

[Turveyd]

Checked again, it appears I had the same new numbers in mind, but would have guessed the unemployment had been higher in 2008 if it was below the 9% Sweden expects to reach this year. Not sure how it compares to its Northern neighbours, but that´s much better than what Southern european countries and the US is expecting

https://www.thelocal.se/20200331/ha...ected-in-sweden-due-to-the-coronavirus-crisis

Only country that is functioning, nobody will be buying anything from them, so still going to have an impact.

Nobody buying Volvo's, Saab's already gone sadly.

 

[luisHK]

" if caught only a £30 fine first time, so no biggy."

Exactly.

Fines starting at 600 euros in Spain (some sources state 100E, but official documents show 600E up), besides the 100s of 1000s tickets handed out (216k+ by March 30th already), a bunch of people have been detained (some slapped in the street for little reason by the police caught on camera, so probably quite a few have been beaten up once far from the spotlight), and a few people have been jailed for repeated quarantine offenses.
Most fines in Madrid are being handed in one of the poorest and dodgiest from I read districts, wonder what´s going to happen, doubt those people are able to pay back such amounts.

 

[luisHK]

Some Racer broke the lockdown in Australia where only 60 people have died and got hell for it, there going to get 2nd, 3rd and ............. 99th waves so years of lockdown.

Several countries with very few cases have declared strict lockdown, in Asia, Central America and Eastern Europe at least, I´m a bit surprised at how Australia and New Zealand reacted btw, thought once they had closed the bo
rders they would leave more freedom to their citizens. If no cure comes fast I´m not sure how they can lift the lockdown (Australia officials have talked of restrictions going into 2021). Once the lockdown was declared in NZ btw, the police hotline was overwhelmed by people calling to rat on their neighbors breaking the rules. Classy.

 

[Turveyd]

Several countries with very few cases have declared strict lockdown, in Asia, Central America and Eastern Europe at least, I´m a bit surprised at how Australia and New Zealand reacted btw, thought once they had closed the bo
rders they would leave more freedom to their citizens. If no cure comes fast I´m not sure how they can lift the lockdown (Australia officials have talked of restrictions going into 2021). Once the lockdown was declared in NZ btw, a police hotline was overwhelmed by people calling to rat on their neighbours breaking the rules. Classy.

600E that's big money.

Being being attacked for being too close to 1 another or riding a bike in the country side, photo's put online of people at the beach which is outside and safe and everyone going crazy about how there killing people.

People are SCARED!!!

Hopefully that R####### treatment is rolled out, death rate drops and treatment time and we can get back to normal, issue is I don't think they want normal, I think our lives will be changed for ever ever, too much damage done over a few old people no bugger cares about.

 

[southall]

I think our lives will be changed for ever ever, too much damage done over a few old people no bugger cares about.

Without lockdowns, there were no processes in place to handle the massive surge in sick and dead.

There needed to be many custom built segregated 'hospitals' in place around the country where anyone who got a bad case of the virus got sent for triage. Most left to die.

The death toll in NYC would have been 50,000+ without lockdowns vs 15,000+ with the current lockdowns (NYC is currently at over 10,000 dead. Will be more than 15,000 by the end of next month).

We are heading towards Flu x10 in NYC: 20,000 CV dead by end of this year vs 2000 flu deaths, even with lockdowns.

Without them it would be been Flu x20, x30 or more in NYC.

 

[SunTrader]

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Without them it would be been Flu x20, x30 or more in NYC.

Yep that is what many fail to consider. How many moooooore would have died without any lockdown. In NYC and everywhere else that have been hit hard.

And then as a result of no lockdown the hard hit areas would widened to the point of a worldwide completely out of control 10x 20x 100x pandemic.

But boooy thank god we have Chumpie on top of things.

 

[southall]

And then as a result of no lockdown the hard hit areas would widened to the point of a worldwide completely out of control 10x 20x 100x pandemic.

Its hard to say what the acceptable level of deaths are for 25+ million unemployed, Trillions of added debt. 30+% loss of GDP. A multi year recession for sure, and possibly a multi year economic depression.

Assuming we could of managed the surge, was circa 1 million mostly old people dying an acceptable number of deaths to avoid that level of economic carnage?

A lot more lives could be economically ruined to save those people.

My sister got her house repoed in the UK during the recession of 1992. She was never able to economically recover after that. Led to her divorce as well. Her life was pretty much ruined after that. It was a recourse loan as so they kept coming after her for many years for the money. And she couldn't declare BK because of her job.